I am not sure I am reading this correctly.

But we know that the democrats did not have the votes in the senate to codify roe. I don't think it's the case anymore, but there were pro-life dems at the time.

sorry, democrat/leftist politicians. almost all reasonable people believe in abortion rights, its the politicians who do not. Or rather, the leftist politicians do not believe in abortion enough to make it into law. The left has never ran on a platform of making abortion a stated right. Are they running on that platform rn?

Domestic policy is allowed to be different because it doesn't matter as much, and it helps to differentiate the two parties. People like you can look at stuff like abortion and say "I have to vote Democrat", and vice-versa. This helps to uphold the status quo-- which is entrenched corporate power, militarism, and the general explotation of humanity

People like PW, Victor, myself see that corporate power as the bigger problem and understand that that will never go away with Democrats or Republicans in charge. It doesn't mean that all of the domestic issues that differentiate the two parties are unimportant-- but they do ultimately take a back seat to the fact that Democrats are team Citi and Republicans team GS. You can still care about abortion and acknowledge that.

Who allows it to be different? I am not sure what you mean there.

Yup I missed a not

You know, the (((bankers))).

Why are you spreading anti-semitic tropes?

Trolly is filling in the blanks where you left them in your post. I am curious what corporations have the ability to control domestic policy. Do they have meetings? Is anything in writing?

I don't think I've seen many "Politician Wanted" ads lately in the classifieds.

How do politicians get to be, you know, politicians?

They pander for money from the rich and tell them they will change the laws to make them more wealth

Mods should sticky this

Ok, now we're motoring. Presumably they pander to the rich because they want money. What do they want this money for?

It does show that some points substitute their own reality when they don't like the results of what is actually happening. It might reduce conflict if people know about this before getting into arguments.

My explanation is much more honest and real.

People decide on their own they want to run for office or they're talked into it by people they know. From there they decide what office they're looking for, if they did not already have one in mind.

From that people the path of a politician can go a variety of different ways. You can run in a primary for a seat or you can go into an open election. You have to learn about the local rules and assemble a team to support you in your bid. Raising money is definitely part of it. But there is so much more than just money.

Trolly thinks that corporations are controlled by Jews? Do you think that as well? It would seem you do.

I'm happy to report to you that people of all stripes run corporations and banks. You should probably look into it.

Corporations control all sorts of domestic policy though. You don't think healthcare, or agriculture, or power, or the policies of numerous industries aren't corporate controlled?

And yes sometimes they have meetings. Have you ever heard of corporate lobbyists?

I think trolly intended his post as a joke. Hopefully he can clear up the rest.

I do not think that jewish people control corporations. That's the antithesis to my views.

So what happens when two corporate lobbyist disagree? Which one of them gets to decide policy?

You're making this a lot more complicated than it needs to be.

Politicians get voted in based on their policy promises. PW seems to think that what politicians want differs from what ordinary people (i.e. voters) want. While I can see this being the case in some areas of policy/legislation, I find it hard to believe that the will of the people differs significantly from the will of their elected representatives when it comes to abortion.

Lucky's conspiracies about how the banks secretly run the government totally aren't at all like generations of ugly conspiracies about banks secretly running the government. Silly me for drawing the comparison!

It's not really a serious question but before I address it, you do acknowledge that there are plenty of industries that are corporate controlled, but you just are interested in how the sausage is made?

https://newrepublic.com/article/1377...illary-clinton

Citibank literally picked Obama's cabinet. You act like I just make this stuff up...I do not.

Yes, there are private industries controlled by corporations.

I know how the sausage is made in reality. I have experience with campaigns and elected officials. I know value of money in politics and the influence of lobbyists.

What I know is that the voters matter most of all. Corporations, lobbyists, and the wealthy have influence. but the voters have control.

What are the u.s. industries not controlled by corporate interests?

Since incorporating is so easy and useful I would imagine no industry is outside corporate control or influence. The government sits on top of all corporations so I guess it's a matter of semantics.

That's the very reason why it's helpful to hear your definition of it - it's a term that's used a lot of different ways by different people.

I can't speak for d2, but I certainly wanted to hear your answer to better understand your posts. You wield the term as something of a cudgel most of the time, so I've never been clear on your understanding of it.

Yes, but never once in a way that helped with an understanding...until now.

Thanks! Sincerely.

It's not like this is some grand revelation that I never could have come close to guessing, but I prefer to hear it from you and know rather than assume. And yours and other's answers have actually led to some interesting discussion today.

gotta have a positive, healthy, legal ,ethical solution for when people are going crazy and are a threat to themselves or others.