Without having seen stats, my intuition would suggest that avowed atheists or agnostics make up a very small fraction of pro-lifers. If you have stats suggesting otherwise I'd be keen to see them.

I'm only claiming that there are plenty of people who would not claim to be religious, don't go to church, weren't raised in a religious household, etc, who are opposed to abortion. I am not claiming that there are avowed atheists/agnostics who are although I'm sure even some of them are as well-- but I would assume that the more militant atheists would not be.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...bout-abortion/

The numbers are in. It's 11%-- which means the number of people who are merely "not religious" and opposed to abortion is going to be quite a bit higher. In the 30s or 40s I'd guess.

'not religious' is covered by agnostic.



edit: yougov is source

Doesn't reflect the Pew results too well at all, and I'll trust Pew over yougov.

Pew have a much better number for what you're trying to find and it's 23% (the "Unaffiliated" group):

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...bout-abortion/

Actually for what you're really getting at it's probably lower than that - some of the graphs further down separate it by belief in God/relevance of religion to life and those are consistently <=20% thinking it should be illegal. Probably most relevant is the group saying religion is "Not at all important" and that has 15% saying abortion should be illegal in all/most cases. Religion being "Not too important" clocks in at 18%.

Shocking that a profession would concern itself with making money. Only amateur doctors for me!

This is one of those statements that wouldn't withstand much debate or discussion.
Its delusional to even say that.

facts.

compared to R it is not delusional. Check out the trump tax cuts and then the foreign debt amount

It's not. I gave examples. You provide unsubstantiated claims.

Federally, since 1980, when the GOP is in charge they increase deficit and debt far more than democrats. Both parties spend money, but only one party ever reduces national debt and it ain't GOP.

Another example I provided was our credit rating has been lowered because of intentional GOP obstruction in congress.

You attacked the medical profession rather than discussing the issue. You're a step away from flipping the table. To say the issue of abortion isn't rooted in religion is absurd. Can a person be atheist and against abortion, yes. What does that have to do with anything?

If GOP drops the fake Christian facade, bigotry is exposed. It's in your best interest to pretend it's religion and not hatred.

My best interest? Why would that be in my best interest? Genuinely curious.

The only reason why I attacked the medical profession was because you brought them up, fwiw. Had you not brought up the medical profession I would have felt zero need to attack them.

You should probably read what you wrote again about 3 or 4 times slowly and reflect on it.

I think the only President that actually reduced the Deficit was Bill Clinton since 1980

This feels like intense Socratism and it's lost on me. What is it you want him or others to reflect on? It's not at all clear. Just say what you mean.

He says that opposition to abortion is rooted in religion, admits that you can be an atheist and opposed to abortion, and wonders what that fact has to do with anything

And what part of what he has to say do you think is invalid and why, or what other point is it you think is so glaringly obvious that you'll pass up on two opportunities to say it? Pretend I'm 5.

His argument would seem to be that because more people who are religious are opposed to abortion, that opposition to abortion is therefore fundamentally linked to abortion.

More people who are religious are also opposed to illegal immigration, but I wonder if he would also argue that opposition to illegal immigration is also fundamentally linked to religion.

The difference is that there's a clear causal link. People who are religious and object to abortion are vocally doing so because of their religion. It is harder to justify opposition to illegal immigration on the basis of the bible.

Nah, misogyny is what drives the anti-abortion movement, religion is just a fig leaf. You gotta reread Handmaid's Tale.

Ok sure, but what about the people who aren't religious and object to abortion?

You are basically contradicting yourself within on sentence.

lolwhat fits you perfect

edit: you're not even lolwhat I reckon now. you're just defending him.

you're just as wrong. it has nothing to do with religion..

And your argument would seem to be one of your silly word games. He said "The 'issue' of abortion is rooted in religion", and your big point was that some non-religious people are also against religion, as if that somehow negated what he said. Such a big point for you that when he confirmed that was the case, you suggest he read his own post a few times and reflect on that. The two things are quite obviously in no way mutually exclusive, unless you think "rooted in religion" has to mean that it's an issue for religious people, and no one else. It doesn't.

The point seemed pretty obvious - attempting to get anti-abortion laws passed and making that a main political issue is very much a cause of the religious right in North America (and likely other places). To be clear, that doesn't include all religious people, nor is to the exclusion of the non-religious. I can't see how this is even debatable.

Leave it to washoe to make an even more absurd claim than Luckbox.

If you want to make the case that it's not only religion, I'd agree. If you want to make the case that it's not mostly religion, that could at least be debated, even if I don't agree. But there is no case to be made that it's not religion at all. None.

that's yibberish what you're talking

Jibberish, with a J.

But that post is fine.