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05-17-2021 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Despite the number of stars in our galaxy, the probability of any star system hosting a recognisably intelligent industrial civilisation at a time even remotely proximate to our own, and the probability of a spacecraft from that planet making a voyage of the extreme duration required by interstellar distances and the limiting effect of the speed of light, so as to appear in Earth's atmosphere by amazing coincidence during the brief period of advanced industrial civilisation on this planet, is as near zero as makes no difference. Basically it's impossible.

Which is good, because, if they did come, they'd be hostile, and they'd bring diseases to which we had no resistance, and we'd all know about it in the worst possible way.
I would agree largely with this.

In terms of weighting I would not put any single theory in the 'likely' category where I would bet on it.

But in terms of weighting I do like the idea and potential of Panspermia (thx CV for the term) as a potential way life was introduced to this nascent planet of ours.

I would actually weight or rank higher 'deliberate panspermia' via satellite or other craft than 'incidental contact' with the 'right meteor' with the 'right combination of 'life' giving factors randomly on it.

I can imagine in the entirety of our universes existence it is possible other planets had life that evolved to approximate where we on Earth are at, which is not that advanced at all. Those planets may have died out taking their populations with them but they, as we could do now, may have seeded satellites with many of the identified 'seeds of life' and sent them to the identified 'potential' planets that could germinate them.

Just spam it out towards every potential target hoping to get a hit somewhere.

I would bet we, on earth, will be engaging in theoretical and philosophical discussions about doing just this in the coming decades as trips to Mars and out of Galaxy options continue to elude us but this option remains viable.
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05-17-2021 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Wow. COVID 19 "alarmist climate change narratives", the evils of capitalism and Aliens all in a few short paragraphs.
Psyops
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05-17-2021 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Wow. COVID 19 "alarmist climate change narratives", the evils of capitalism and Aliens all in a few short paragraphs.

Psyops
Like most substack writers I've never heard of her before but her other takes look pretty reasonable as well.
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05-17-2021 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Like most substack writers I've never heard of her before but her other takes look pretty reasonable as well.
I guess you could say
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I'm not familiar with that
Yeah?
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05-17-2021 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I guess you could say



Yeah?
Try to not be a douche. You're better than some of the others so act that way.
I'm supposed to know every substack writer?
I like how you think your expert status on UFOs gives you some authority on this topic. It however doesn't mean ****. There are no UFO experts.
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05-17-2021 , 04:30 PM
Relax I'm just f'ckn with ya
And in response to your edit- Never claimed to be an expert on ufos

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05-17-2021 , 04:30 PM
Seems like the UFO psyop stuff should have happened before getting Space Force funded, but hey.
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05-17-2021 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Relax I'm just f'ckn with ya
Sorry. My bad
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05-17-2021 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Seems like the UFO psyop stuff should have happened before getting Space Force funded, but hey.
Fair point.
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05-17-2021 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
You could probably say that my thesis is found right there in the first few posts of this thread [and you'd have to click through to see the evidence I cite]-- but the thesis is "propaganda is heating up".
What we're still pressing for is what this actually means. Presumably it means something more than just that there's been a few news articles you happened to have noticed.

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Most of the thread has been people arguing with me on that point, with me arguing that it's simply undeniable and others like yourself going back to show how there has always been propaganda in regards to UFOs-- which is fine and I don't dispute that.
The way to falsify my claim would be to show that the propaganda has been consistent over the years, and I think that's just prima facie false-- and why I've made statements like how I'm obviously correct. A large part of the dispute has been about what I am actually claiming, of which I've always been 100% sure on and my detractors not so much.
We still have the problem of how you could make this kind of comparison without you knowing any of the relevant history. It's still you saying this hippo is prima facie different even though you've never seen a hippo before.

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But certainly the way to falsify my ideas would be through a study of the propaganda or through something like the techniques of qualitative news frame analysis. I see no need myself to present my ideas through a framework such as this, as I consider them obviously true and aren't invested enough to do the sort work needed to show that something that is obviously true, is in fact also true through some sort of more rigorous methodology.
You're proposing that some analytic method would falsify your position. I have no idea how it works. My guess though is that we'd need a proposition much clearer than "it's hotting up" or "it's different" before any comparisons could be made. How do you expect to use this methodology if you can't even state what it is you want to analyse?
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05-17-2021 , 06:28 PM

That John Solomon and Sara Carter-- both who were pushing qanon stuff-- are now on the UFOs, is noted.
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05-17-2021 , 06:33 PM
Clearly is a psy op of unknown origin for unknown reasons for an unknown purpose with an unknown expected outcome and unknown follow up if any for an unknown agenda with an unknown motive. Thankfully you exist to find and point out these things for unknown reasons. While it will never be solved, it adds to the psy op tally. Onto the next psy op!

All the best.
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05-17-2021 , 06:49 PM
Luckbox: 2+2 = 4
Monti: no, 2+2 = 0


All the best

Last edited by washoe; 05-17-2021 at 07:12 PM.
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05-17-2021 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
What we're still pressing for is what this actually means. Presumably it means something more than just that there's been a few news articles you happened to have noticed.

This could likely be looked at quantitatively and not just qualitatively. The actual amount of mainstream news articles discussing UFOs could be measured and things like google trends showing response in terms of public interest can be measured.

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We still have the problem of how you could make this kind of comparison without you knowing any of the relevant history. It's still you saying this hippo is prima facie different even though you've never seen a hippo before.
There is a point you're making some, although I think if I'm saying "woah where'd all these hippos come from?!?!", I don't think you saying "well actually we had hippos in 1947, 1952, 1969, and 1982" actually means that much, and some of this discussion has been just that. Learning about all the prior Hippos is interesting, but it's the present day Hippos that we're worried about.*


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You're proposing that some analytic method would falsify your position. I have no idea how it works. My guess though is that we'd need a proposition much clearer than "it's hotting up" or "it's different" before any comparisons could be made. How do you expect to use this methodology if you can't even state what it is you want to analyse?
Yes this is why I've said it's literally impossible that I'm wrong-- which was met with a lot a derision although given that I was saying so little it literally has been.
*no idea why I felt the need to capitalize hippos there some but I'm going to leave it to give them their proper respect.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 05-17-2021 at 06:57 PM.
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05-17-2021 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
This could likely be looked at quantitatively and not just qualitatively. The actual amount of mainstream news articles discussing UFOs could be measured and things like google trends showing response in terms of public interest can be measured.
It can't be looked at by any means until you clarify what we'd even be looking for. This post makes it sound like we're now talking about the raw number of articles. Which of course would be greater because there's a metric ton more media now, but even proportionally is meaningless when you have no idea what it was like in the past.


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There is a point you're making some, although I think if I'm saying "woah where'd all these hippos come from?!?!", I don't think you saying "well actually we had hippos in 1947, 1952, 1969, and 1982" actually means that much, and some of this discussion has been just that. Learning about all the prior Hippos is interesting, but it's the present day Hippos that we're worried about.
I am saying we had hippos in those years. I'm saying the hippos were always there, people talk about hippos now and then, yet you having never seen one before and having no idea about them look at your first ever hippo and say "It's obviously different". I think I've been incredibly patient itt but this analogy is just how obtuse I think you've been.

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Yes this is why I've said it's literally impossible that I'm wrong-- which was met with a lot a derision although given that I was saying so little it literally has been.
The only way it's impossible for you to be wrong is if we go back to you not saying anything.

But then you're stuck in this position where you're saying "I'm not saying anything but we could apply analytic methods to what I'm saying and determine if it's true". It's pure gibberish.
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05-17-2021 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Luckbox: 2+2 = 4
Monti: no, 2+2 = 0 you dont know if the 2 is really a two and everything could be fake or of no substance. So let's call it all bs.

Monti that's an awful lot of no's or negating stuff you do there. But maybe it's entertaining or useful criticisms. In that case my bad


All the best
Hey, if this means you fully agree with Lucky with all of his theories you should let him know, he needs support! Tell him you are all-in on his various psy ops. He can use an apprentice.

By the way, how did that Dogecoin purchase at 65-70 cents go with your prediction that Musk being on SNL would cause it to surge in value to a dollar or more? Sadly, there was no real way to bet against your prediction in that specific case. I kind of miss 2020 Trumpderps in that (and only that) regard, as betting against whatever they said would happen was pretty nice!

All the best.
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05-17-2021 , 07:12 PM
How would you account for factors like the internet wildly increasing ease of communication and tech advances(I imagine it's tougher to see that chinese/russian drone in a biplane with no computer/flir)?
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05-17-2021 , 07:15 PM
Ive just thought of that you might give useful criticisms.
I don't believe everything but some stuff seems intersting.

@blade your guy has been re- debunked all over YouTube. I have looked into the guy shortly. I couldn't even find the tic tac debunk in his in list. He seems not persuasive imo.

@monti I can't say anything about doge. I wouldn't bet too much on it. coinbase is adding it in 6-8 weeks.
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05-17-2021 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Ive just thought of that you might give useful criticisms.
I don't believe everything but some stuff seems intersting.

@blade your guy has been re- debunked all over YouTube. I have looked into the guy shortly. I couldn't even find the tic tac debunk in his in list. He seems not persuasive imo.
Are you talking about that guy Mick West?
He's a general dubunker of all conspiracy stuff including some stuff I know to be undebunkable like 9/11-- so he's definitely somewhat problematic as a source.
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05-17-2021 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
@monti I can't say anything about doge. I wouldn't bet too much on it. coinbase is adding it in 6-8 weeks.
Cool. If you have some specific predictions as to how it will do in future that will definitely help others know what to expect to happen. I know Coinbase is adding it, but I always look for those with special insight so that I have a better idea which way to bet. Thanks!

All the best.
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05-17-2021 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Are you talking about that guy Mick West?
He's a general dubunker of all conspiracy stuff including some stuff I know to be undebunkable like 9/11-- so he's definitely somewhat problematic as a source.
Some of the threads are still fun. Well, I'm an actual frigging 767 pilot and here are my credentials that's why Oh ya well what about this youtube video?
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05-17-2021 , 07:44 PM
One point that can be said here is if this some sort of elaborate psyop, they're going to have to go all-out because just judging from the amount of blue-checked twitter that is like "lol 60 Minutes psyop", the amount of people going ga-ga for space aliens right now isn't that much.
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05-17-2021 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Are you talking about that guy Mick West?
He's a general dubunker of all conspiracy stuff including some stuff I know to be undebunkable like 9/11-- so he's definitely somewhat problematic as a source.
No, the guy blade gave as a proof. His name is "thunderfoot" I dont know if his real name is Mick West. this is a professional debunker on youtube who has been re debunked.
This guy:
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05-17-2021 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
One point that can be said here is if this some sort of elaborate psyop, they're going to have to go all-out because just judging from the amount of blue-checked twitter that is like "lol 60 Minutes psyop", the amount of people going ga-ga for space aliens right now isn't that much.
UFOs and aliens being a nothingburger in 2021 was not a hard prediction to make... Welcome to reality, or whatever psy op you make of it.

Anyway, you have a potential apprentice in washoe, so be sure to rope him in! Try to get him to make some predictions as well. Thanks!

All the best.
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05-17-2021 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Cool. If you have some specific predictions as to how it will do in future that will definitely help others know what to expect to happen. I know Coinbase is adding it, but I always look for those with special insight so that I have a better idea which way to bet. Thanks!

All the best.
Im no oracle, I had a hunch a while ago. this is not a wise investment from what I keep hearing. If we knew when exactly coinbase is adding it we would probably have an edge. Also if we knew when and if tesla is accepting it.

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