If you want to see a real libertarian opinion on criminal justice, you missed it.

Narrator: he was not wrong

edit: about my missing it , not about all the ideas.

There is no credible evidence that demonstrates that the death penalty deters crime more than long term prison sentences. But I guess we’re doing thought experiments using just our feefees and not actual data.

Have we considered using thoughts and prayers to protect the border? It’s what we use to protect kids in schools from firearms.

Drugs are illegal in most of the countries in that list, try again.

And stop harassing me on stuff where I already stayed my position, I am ofc for full legalization of all drugs (should be unconstitutional for the state to prohibit the production sale and consumption of any substance to adults)

1) I already answered that argument
2) my claim isn't predicated on deterrence to make sense

If the state kills all convicted violent criminals you don't have re offenders for those crimes, that's already less crime.

And if you kill the day appeal is lost you save a ton of money as well.

And the death penalty is far more humane.

So even if we were absolutely certain that having the death penalty for robbery wouldn't decrease the propensity to rob for anyone (and you know that's false, and you don't have data on that because no country does it) it would still be a lot better to have the death penalty for robbery.

Btw libertarians are about the NAP.

A significant NAP violation under libertarianism fully justify any extent of violence in retaliation to neutralize the source of the NAP violation in the present and in the future.

And it would be a NAP violation as well to pay for food shelter and healthcare of a rapist, really very deeply immoral to use taxes for that.

I don't square how someone calls himself libertarian without being in favour of a vastly increased use of the death penalty of he has ever reasoned in NAP terms.

But again from someone who is a libertarian pro EPA, anything goes.

Sociopathy is treatable, Luciom.

christianity and the death penalty, the two biggest enemies of gay history.

Most of the gun violence in Sweden is related to drugs. Sorry you're wrong about that.

And, no, I'm not going to stop harassing you about pretending to be a libertarian. So you think drugs should be illegal? Yeah, that's one little thing. Just because you don't want to pay taxes or get a permit to make an addition on your house doesn't mean you love freedom. You're just selfish. The second someone else's freedom might make you a little uncomfortable you want to hire thugs with guns to curtail their freedom.

I didn't say I was for the EPA (or against) just that I believe in science and the tragedy of the commons. Now that I know you're a Utopian, I guess it's not surprising that you don't believe in facts.

I also didn't call myself a libertarian. I said I love freedom though.

National borders and the police enforcement around them are about the most unNAP thing possible.

President Biden says the border crisis is President Trump's fault. You can't make this **** up.

Well, maybe you can.

Meanwhile educated indians, one of the best demographics of immigrants for the receiving country (lower crime rate than natives, good skill sets, civic attitude, decent fertility, basically the dream prospects) are leaving Canada and aren't choosing it anymore as much as before to study and start their careers.

one of the reasons cited is the dramatic and radical move to the left of Canadian society.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68124559

Cmon man, you are really being misleading with this take and you know it

Indians still going to Canada in droves
Reverse migrations are small relative numbers and they peaked 5 years ago, so reverse migrations are down

That isn't really what the article says.

it's -40% in 2023 as per article.

Canada still attracts other measurably far worse groups sure.

I said one of the reasons cited. there is literally a line about some people leaving because of LGBT bullshit

No, it says "There was a 40% decline in applications from India for Canadian study permits in the second half of 2023, according to one estimate.", which isn't remotely close to the same as 40% of all Indian immigration for the entire calendar year. And it also gives a very good reason for it:

"This was, in part, also due to the ongoing diplomatic tensions between India and Canada over allegations Indian agents were involved in the murder of Canadian Sikh separatist leader Hardeep Singh Nijjar."

Which was a very big deal at the time. Funny how you made no mention of that, and yet felt compelled to include:

One guy cited that as one of the reasons he was leaving.

"He told the BBC he was upset by LGBT-inclusive education policies in Canada and its 2018 decision to legalise recreational cannabis. "

Meanwhile, Canada continues to bring in almost a half million immigrants a year, far more than the US per capita, and could have more if we wanted to. In the first 6 months of 2023, over 84,000 were from India.

So yeah, your post was just misleading nonsense.

The total net amount of permanent residents of indian origins increased less in 2022 than in 2021. +128k in 2021, +118k in 2022.

As for 2023 do you have net numbers (arrivals-departures)?

Now you're just making things up to fit your agenda.

Public hanging didn't reduce crime or act as a deterrent. In the early Victorian era even pickpocketing was a hanging offence, but one of the most popular places for pickpockets to try their luck was public hangings.

The idea that eliminating a criminal doesn't reduce crime is... strange to read.

It just creates new criminals who want to avenge the deaths of their loved ones

A capitalist like you should understand that when one criminal disappears another often takes their place. The narcotics market is known to work exactly like this, hence the inevitable failure of the "war on drugs". Gang warfare doesn't abate when members are locked up.

drug production & sale shouldnt be a crime and yes it's true that you don't fix it particularly well by jailing criminal, although if you give life no parole for any possession you actually severely reduce the size of that market (see some southeastern asian countries).


But if we are talking about wife beaters, people who create trouble in pubs, car thieves and so on and on, you actually fix it by removing them from society. Because most people simply wouldn't do those actions, only a tiny minority does, you know everytime you read the "suspect is known to law enforcement and had past x y z criminal actions" ? that's who commits the vast majority of violent, senseless crimes, those are the individuals incompatible with society and you do reduce the crime rate if you remove them from society.

As for "gang warfare doesn't abate" have you checked el salvador recently? ofc you have to fully dehumanize them, and jail A LOT of them.

2% of el salvador male adults were jailed.

Murder rate went -93% from 2015 to today.

Now do you agree that when those people will come out, that will create societal problems? well if they just had killed all of them, they wouldn't.

Tbh though i think you aren't thinking this straight, do you really believe that if we kill a rapist then someone who is not a rapist starts raping? i don't think you believe that.

I think with El Salvador it's helpful for them that there isn't some huge market. The gangs would have been making their living by dealing to locals and extorting local businesses. And extortion is going to be one of those crimes like rape where once you eliminate the extortionist, another one doesn't just pop up to replace them. Drugs are a different matter but I'm not sure how much drugs are being smuggled through El Salvador on their way to the US.