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02-01-2024 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
You can come and try but no one owes you anything, and citizenship is a privilege to be earned or inherited, not a right.
Remind me what you did to earn your citizenship?
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02-01-2024 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Remind me what you did to earn your citizenship?
Have I ever denied or minimized the value of inheritance?

Have I ever said I am an American citizen (I am not)
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02-01-2024 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
And I'm not suggesting and end to the "Rule of Law", just that the USA goes back to being a free country like it was when my great grandparents just came here.
If you mean like when it I was unconstitutional to have a federal income tax, there was no EPA, no FDA, and fiscal intake as a percentage of GDP local+state+fed was in the single digits, sign me up!
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02-01-2024 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Are you serious here? roe v wade, role of federal agencies, smoking bans, you think everything is predetermined by "the system" and voting never changes those kinds of things?

why aren't plastic straws banned in all cities? why do some states have castle doctrine defense allowed, in others you have to flee from your home if people enter armed?

voting matters, the opinion of the people who vote in a place matter, they shape what is allowed and what isn't, they determine how much of your stuff is violently sequestered (taxes) and how it is used, and so on.
Everything you listed here was not decided by voting in my state, except one. Most of it is common law and legislation.

Last edited by ganstaman; 02-02-2024 at 07:50 AM. Reason: Fixed broken quote tag
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02-01-2024 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Everything you listed here was not decided by voting in my state, except one. Most of it is common law and legislation.
Lol voting matters even in representative democracy, it's one more step but it's not like it erases the value of voting

Last edited by ganstaman; 02-02-2024 at 07:50 AM. Reason: Fixed broken quote tag
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02-01-2024 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
If you mean like when it I was unconstitutional to have a federal income tax, there was no EPA, no FDA, and fiscal intake as a percentage of GDP local+state+fed was in the single digits, sign me up!
I don't necessarily agree with you on those things, but regardless, I wouldn't let people enacting laws that I didn't like turn me into a kidnapper.
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02-01-2024 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Have I ever denied or minimized the value of inheritance?

Have I ever said I am an American citizen (I am not)
So... nothing, then? I'm marking you down as "nothing."
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02-01-2024 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
So... nothing, then? I'm marking you down as "nothing."
I haven't done anything to not get something I don't have, incredible uh?
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02-01-2024 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I haven't done anything to not get something I don't have, incredible uh?
No, it's incredible that you demand others earn a right that you yourself didn't have to earn.
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02-01-2024 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
No, it's incredible that you demand others earn a right that you yourself didn't have to earn.
I didn't have to earn American citizenship because I am not an American citizen.

But in general no it's not incredible to ask for people to do something worthwhile to join a group many people want to join, even if some of the group member didnt do much to be members of such group
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02-01-2024 , 04:15 PM
I am not a Marine so everyone should be allowed to become a Marine no question asked, just enter a Marine barrack -Trollson
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02-01-2024 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I am not scared about cheap labor at all, but i am scared of diluting the pool of voters with people who vote against my interest.
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Have I ever denied or minimized the value of inheritance?

Have I ever said I am an American citizen (I am not)
How do American immigrants (legal and not) vote against your interests?
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02-01-2024 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I am not a Marine so everyone should be allowed to become a Marine no question asked, just enter a Marine barrack -Trollson
You should still probably have to do at least 5 pullups.
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02-01-2024 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
How do American immigrants (legal and not) vote against your interests?
My dad is an American citizen.

And everything that happens in the capital of the empire (the USA) has repercussions in the empire.

I live in Europe and american politican decisions materially affect my life, and culturally shape our nations.

EDIT for additional details: the USA is the only country in the world where there are sizeable pockets of actual libertarianism, the last beacon of hope for libertarians everywhere on the planet.

Everywhere else collectivism won every single fight.
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02-01-2024 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
You should still probably have to do at least 5 pullups.
I can't but running from ICE was enough according to my yoga instructor
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02-01-2024 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I didn't have to earn American citizenship because I am not an American citizen.
Nonetheless you didn't do anything to become a citizen of whatever backwater European nation you live in but you're still happy to demand other people jump through hoops to immigrate to your country.
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02-01-2024 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Nonetheless you didn't do anything to become a citizen of whatever backwater European nation you live in but you're still happy to demand other people jump through hoops to immigrate to your country.
In the anti-family, blank slate view of the left, you can deny inheritance to be one of the crucial defining element of human coexistence.

If you open your mind to the idea that you do inherit the merits of your ancestors because DNA matters and property rights don't cease with death, you could try to understand a model in which individuals don't matter that much but actual families, bloodlines, are what define human societies.

In that worldview, you don't need to INDIVIDUALLY deserve anything, your family of which you are just a cog of does.

Blood is thick and matters more than everything else for people who didn't forget the lessons of history.

And blood is what gives you a right to citizenship.

Ius sanguinis.
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02-01-2024 , 04:36 PM
In Guatemala apparently you just have to leave the country every 3 months-- but I just learned you have to go to Mexico or Belize you can't go to El Salvador because they won't stamp you there. Apparently when you travel to any of Guatemala/El Salvador/Nicaragua it's all the same.90 days you get...but you can stay forever just leaving every 3 months and you don't even have to be gone a day.
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02-01-2024 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
In Guatemala apparently you just have to leave the country every 3 months-- but I just learned you have to go to Mexico or Belize you can't go to El Salvador because they won't stamp you there. Apparently when you travel to any of Guatemala/El Salvador/Nicaragua it's all the same.90 days you get...but you can stay forever just leaving every 3 months and you don't even have to be gone a day.
Brazil was similar for many people up until recently, your 90 days visa-free stay could be reset by travel (with some caveats)
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02-01-2024 , 04:41 PM
If open borders became a thing I wonder what sort of changes Latin American countries would see. What if they lost a bunch of their workforce?
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02-01-2024 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
Brazil was similar for many people up until recently, your 90 days visa-free stay could be reset by travel (with some caveats)
Brazil has become a pain to travel to again under Lulo and I have 900 reals I need to get rid of.
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02-01-2024 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Brazil has become a pain to travel to again under Lulo and I have 900 reals I need to get rid of.
Don't worry they must be worth 5 bucks or something right now or will be soon
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02-01-2024 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
If open borders became a thing I wonder what sort of changes Latin American countries would see. What if they lost a bunch of their workforce?
Just check Moldavia or Ukraine (pre war), wastelands deprived of young ambitious adults, they all went away

(Moldovans in most cases get EU access through Romania, because Romania prints passports for them under the "your great great great parent once was Romanian")
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02-01-2024 , 05:02 PM
I don't have a problem with open borders personally but I think that people who advocate for it should at least recognize that there is a potential for more problems than benefits.

I think eventually some sort of stasis would argue though where eventually the US would become a country that people no longer wanted to come to.
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02-01-2024 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I don't have a problem with open borders personally but I think that people who advocate for it should at least recognize that there is a potential for more problems than benefits.

I think eventually some sort of stasis would argue though where eventually the US would become a country that people no longer wanted to come to.
It might force other countries to become better.

As far as the first paragraph, yes, there could be more potential for problems. Doubt it, but it's possible.
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