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02-17-2024 , 08:28 PM
There will probably be some conspiracy theories that The West killed him.

I doubt Putin cares about Munich.
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02-18-2024 , 04:53 PM
Informative piece on Navalny here

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02-19-2024 , 11:04 PM



I was hoping this kid would be ok, but he really shouldn't have made himself so public... and then left Ukraine.
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02-20-2024 , 02:45 AM
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RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA

1. GREAT READ WaPo article "Kremlin runs disinformation campaign to undermine Zelensky, documents show"
2. GREAT READ EU vs Disinfo article "Hate speech and calls for genocide in Putin’s Russia"


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Two very good reads, first one especially. Russian media campaign to exaggerate the rift between Zelenskyy and Zaluhnyi, as well as other propaganda campaigns.
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02-20-2024 , 02:49 AM
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Informative piece on Navalny here

This was great, thanks for sharing. I enjoyed this article too:

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/02...alny-1976-2024
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02-21-2024 , 05:22 PM
Met a Ukrainian girl who was on the same bus I was yesterday and staying at the same hostel and we hiked like 15 km today over the mountains to a neighboring town. Yesterday when I first met her I was like "oh I have a Ukrainian friend from Kharkov" and she was like "that's the Russian name in Ukrainian it's [nfi what she said]", and so I figured she wasn't a fan of Russians.

Then today we were talking about languages because she knows about 7 of them (Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, German, English, and working on her Spanish) and at some point I asked her what the Ukrainian word for butterfly is because for some bizarre reason I try to collect that tidbit of knowledge for as many languages as I can and she told me and then was like "do you want to know the Russian too?" and I sheepishly had to answer yes, and the Russian word did sound quite a bit cooler.
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02-21-2024 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Met a Ukrainian girl who was on the same bus I was yesterday and staying at the same hostel and we hiked like 15 km today over the mountains to a neighboring town. Yesterday when I first met her I was like "oh I have a Ukrainian friend from Kharkov" and she was like "that's the Russian name in Ukrainian it's [nfi what she said]", and so I figured she wasn't a fan of Russians.

Then today we were talking about languages because she knows about 7 of them (Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, German, English, and working on her Spanish) and at some point I asked her what the Ukrainian word for butterfly is because for some bizarre reason I try to collect that tidbit of knowledge for as many languages as I can and she told me and then was like "do you want to know the Russian too?" and I sheepishly had to answer yes, and the Russian word did sound quite a bit cooler.
The russian word for butterfly - "babochka" is very similar to the russian for the word for grandmother - "babushka".
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02-22-2024 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Met a Ukrainian girl who was on the same bus I was yesterday and staying at the same hostel and we hiked like 15 km today over the mountains to a neighboring town. Yesterday when I first met her I was like "oh I have a Ukrainian friend from Kharkov" and she was like "that's the Russian name in Ukrainian it's [nfi what she said]", and so I figured she wasn't a fan of Russians.

Then today we were talking about languages because she knows about 7 of them (Ukrainian, Russian, Polish, German, English, and working on her Spanish) and at some point I asked her what the Ukrainian word for butterfly is because for some bizarre reason I try to collect that tidbit of knowledge for as many languages as I can and she told me and then was like "do you want to know the Russian too?" and I sheepishly had to answer yes, and the Russian word did sound quite a bit cooler.
you met a spy, and I dont use that world lightly.
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02-22-2024 , 11:37 AM
as the war dies down and russia wins, will you pro war people still take the stance that it was best for ukraine to defend itself and lose hundreds of thousands of men while the end results are the same?

If I was president of ukraine and I did this, and lost, I would publicly apoligize and then kill myself. How disgusting it must be to quarterback the deaths of so many humans and then say it was worth it. Gross
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02-22-2024 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
as the war dies down and russia wins, will you pro war people still take the stance that it was best for ukraine to defend itself and lose hundreds of thousands of men while the end results are the same?

If I was president of ukraine and I did this, and lost, I would publicly apoligize and then kill myself. How disgusting it must be to quarterback the deaths of so many humans and then say it was worth it. Gross
If I hold you down and try to rape you, and you struggle, so I knock all your teeth out with a crowbar, then knock you out, then rape you anyway, does that mean you were wrong to struggle? I mean, you could have kept your teeth, after all.

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02-22-2024 , 12:16 PM
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If I hold you down and try to rape you, and you struggle, so I knock all your teeth out with a crowbar, then knock you out, then rape you anyway, does that mean you were wrong to struggle? I mean, you could have kept your teeth, after all.
in one situation you get physically hurt but not killed

in this situation, would you rather be physically/mentally hurt but still alive, or would you rather struggle and be dead?
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02-22-2024 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
as the war dies down and russia wins, will you pro war people still take the stance that it was best for ukraine to defend itself and lose hundreds of thousands of men while the end results are the same?

If I was president of ukraine and I did this, and lost, I would publicly apoligize and then kill myself. How disgusting it must be to quarterback the deaths of so many humans and then say it was worth it. Gross
If there was an actual peace deal on the table were Russia got Crimea and the Dondesk Region and it was not taken Shame on them Obama already let them take Crimea and said Ukraine has no global interest to the USA for it to get involved which he was correct on . He may have worded it differently.
Were at a point now were Ukraine is running out of soldiers and Russia has tons. Russia is manufacturing artillery at a staggering rate and the sanctions have done little.

Russia will win and its just a matter of time . Zelensky fired his top commander because he spoke the truth and replaced him with a general nicknamed "The Butcher" He got this name for how many of his own troops he would sacrifice

The war mongers can scare us all with oh Putin will invade NATO next and China will take Taiwan

Biden is the only one or Trump if he wins that can end this war and the deal is not going to be as good as before from Putin
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02-22-2024 , 12:18 PM
@PW - You seem to draw some arbitrary line between death and not death. What if you let me **** you I'll let you live, otherwise I **** you and kill you anyway. Does that change your calculus? You just roll over and pull your pants down?

@Everyone else - I apologise for the violent sexual imagery, but I feel that in the context of the current discussion, the analogy is both apt and helpful in demonstrating my point.

@PW - You might personally be a coward, but not everyone shares that trait. A lot of people out there feel that if you haven't got anything worth dying for, you haven't got anything worth living for.
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02-22-2024 , 12:22 PM
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@PW -You seem to draw some arbitrary line between death and not death. What if you let me **** you I'll let you live, otherwise I **** you and kill you anyway. Does that change your calculus? You just roll over and pull your pants down?
yes of course. I am not going to die over getting raped. People get killed in prison all the time for fighting back while being raped. I am not getting killed over getting raped. Sorry. you can live in your fantasy land all you want but the bottom line is when there is a knife to your throat and a dick in your ass, youre going to take the dick in your ass


lol I served in the army during the conflicts in iraq and afghanistan. Did you? Pretty easy to see who is a coward via military service or lack there of.
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02-22-2024 , 12:23 PM
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yes of course. I am not going to die over getting raped. People get killed in prison all the time for fighting back while being raped. I am not getting killed over getting raped. Sorry. you can live in your fantasy land all you want but the bottom line is when there is a knife to your throat and a dick in your ass, youre going to take the dick in your ass
Lol. Yeah, no. Also, see my edit.
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02-22-2024 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
yes of course. I am not going to die over getting raped. People get killed in prison all the time for fighting back while being raped. I am not getting killed over getting raped. Sorry. you can live in your fantasy land all you want but the bottom line is when there is a knife to your throat and a dick in your ass, youre going to take the dick in your ass


lol I served in the army during the conflicts in iraq and afghanistan. Did you? Pretty easy to see who is a coward via military service or lack there of.
On tour? Have you personally ever been to Iraq or Afghanistan?
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02-22-2024 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
If there was an actual peace deal on the table were Russia got Crimea and the Dondesk Region and it was not taken Shame on them Obama already let them take Crimea and said Ukraine has no global interest to the USA for it to get involved which he was correct on . He may have worded it differently.
Were at a point now were Ukraine is running out of soldiers and Russia has tons. Russia is manufacturing artillery at a staggering rate and the sanctions have done little.

Russia will win and its just a matter of time . Zelensky fired his top commander because he spoke the truth and replaced him with a general nicknamed "The Butcher" He got this name for how many of his own troops he would sacrifice

The war mongers can scare us all with oh Putin will invade NATO next and China will take Taiwan

Biden is the only one or Trump if he wins that can end this war and the deal is not going to be as good as before from Putin
Ah yes, Trump will fix it. Just like he fixed everything else I guess? He's quite the fixer.
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02-22-2024 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
yes of course. I am not going to die over getting raped. People get killed in prison all the time for fighting back while being raped. I am not getting killed over getting raped. Sorry. you can live in your fantasy land all you want but the bottom line is when there is a knife to your throat and a dick in your ass, youre going to take the dick in your ass


lol I served in the army during the conflicts in iraq and afghanistan. Did you? Pretty easy to see who is a coward via military service or lack there of.
Not everyone is cut out for service and just because someone hasn't served does not make them a coward

I kind of think every person upon graduating High school or at the age of 18 should be required to serve two years in the military or humanitarian causes.

I would also add to the constitution no can serve as President after 75 and must have military service
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02-22-2024 , 12:44 PM
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On tour? Have you personally ever been to Iraq or Afghanistan?
No, what difference does that make? Do you think going to afghanistan or iraq means you see combat?

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Not everyone is cut out for service and just because someone hasn't served does not make them a coward

I kind of think every person upon graduating High school or at the age of 18 should be required to serve two years in the military or humanitarian causes.

I would also add to the constitution no can serve as President after 75 and must have military service
sure but when you compare two people and are referring to one as a coward it is an easy test to see who has given up their time and possibly their lives for others, and who hasnt.
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02-22-2024 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Not everyone is cut out for service and just because someone hasn't served does not make them a coward

I kind of think every person upon graduating High school or at the age of 18 should be required to serve two years in the military or humanitarian causes.

I would also add to the constitution no can serve as President after 75 and must have military service
Soviet Union made people do that. Sounds like cOMmuNisM.
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02-22-2024 , 12:47 PM
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No, what difference does that make? Do you think going to afghanistan or iraq means you see combat?



sure but when you compare two people and are referring to one as a coward it is an easy test to see who has given up their time and possibly their lives for others, and who hasnt.
It makes a difference because you bring it up to prove you are not a coward. What danger were you in, sitting behind a desk in West Bum****, Alabama, exactly? You only enlisted because you were completely unqualified for any other job anyway, so stop pretending it was out of some allegiance to a greater cause. You were praying every ****ing night to every god you could find that you didn't get deployed.

I have had someone threaten to rape me in prison, and I didn't take your route. Some things are worth dying for. For some, it's their country, for others it's their cornhole. But to say that people shouldn't defend themselves when something they hold sacrosanct is threatened and/or attacked because the results might end up worse is the height of ****ing ignorance.

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02-22-2024 , 12:51 PM
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It makes a difference because you bring it up to prove you are not a coward. What danger were you in, sitting behind a desk in West Bum****, Alabama, exactly?
lets look at the baseline

one of us volunteered to serve during war time

one of us did not


you called me a coward and I gave you most selfless, dangerous thing I have ever volunteered to do.

from your end, you havent done anything to meet that.

I didnt sit behind a desk and I still left my country for a year to defend a foreign nation


keep trying!


edit: you do realize just enlisting is dangerous, or you didnt realize that but now you do?
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02-22-2024 , 12:55 PM
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It makes a difference because you bring it up to prove you are not a coward. What danger were you in, sitting behind a desk in West Bum****, Alabama, exactly? You only enlisted because you were completely unqualified for any other job anyway, so stop pretending it was out of some allegiance to a greater cause. You were praying every ****ing night to every god you could find that you didn't get deployed.

I have had someone threaten to rape me in prison, and I didn't take your route. Some things are worth dying for. For some, it's their country, for others it's their cornhole. But to say that people shouldn't defend themselves when something they hold sacrosanct is threatened and/or attacked because the results might end up worse is the height of ****ing ignorance.
Wrong but thanks. I enlisted to gain skills so I could defend myself, to serve my country and to get money for college. And I got deployed so wrong there. And I reenlisted to deploy to afghanistan, and I was combat arms.

Keep trying!
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02-22-2024 , 12:58 PM
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Wrong but thanks. I enlisted to gain skills so I could defend myself, to serve my country and to get money for college. And I got deployed so wrong there. And I reenlisted to deploy to afghanistan, and I was combat arms.

Keep trying!
OK, Braveheart. So, somebody puts a knife to your neck and you let him stick his dick in your ass? Not someone I'd want in my unit.

Or, you could just admit you are being your usual ignorant self and saying stupid **** about how the Ukrainians shouldn't defend themselves. This a hill you want to die on?
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02-22-2024 , 01:01 PM
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OK, Braveheart. So, somebody puts a knife to your neck and you let them stick their dick in your ass? Not someone I'd want in my unit.
lol somebody has to do it cause clearly people like you will not.

Thats good, combat arms guys dont want pussies in their unit. If you think taking a dick in the ass is worse than getting killed then you need to get your head checked. your mission is to the guys to the left and right of you, it is not about yourself.

If the mission is stay alive and kill the bad guys, you have let yourself and your team down by getting yourself killed instead of raped. Welcome to reality, war is about killing, not about saving your ego.



I said they shouldnt have fought a war against russia because they knew they were going to lose and the cost is hundreds of thousands of lives lost. Some people will say that cost is worthwhile, some will not
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