please show me where anyone besides you said faking the need

How would you describe Zelenskyy declaring martial law under the pretext that Russia invading is an event worthy of martial law, but actually he is declaring martial law because he wishes to stay in power without an election?

still wondering what Banderyk means.

Should be easy to google!

Are you still talking about faking the need? You still haven’t shown where anyone besides you said it. Why’re you using the word but? Use the word AND


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Look at the bolded word, PW.

didnt find anything definitive.

but this seems reasonable

So you’re saying Z isn’t doing things to keep himself in power?

Who do you think Z thinks is best for the job, him or someone else?

Helped someone with how words work and helped someone else learn how to google.

I think those are my good deeds for the day.

you made up an idea, feel free to use search page feature to find who used the word "fake/faking" first

Fine. You left out the word “also”

So it should read but also

I left out no word, it reads exactly as it should.

I already googled it but wasnt certain.

given your cageyness, it sounds like you agree that they are naming weapons after Bandera. very normal country that totally doesnt represent neo-Nazis.

ofc no one said that thing that he accused. but good luck ever getting that dude to admit he said something absurd.

Given your refusal to answer this exchange I guess you agree that your comparison is a weak attempt at belittling dead civilians. Very normal behavior that doesn't support Putin's right to invade and murder:

Both of you can feel free to explain this however you wish as long as it's honest to the original statement and then replace what I said, my point remains the same. **** this forum is full of pedantry.

if he wanted elections, they would be held. the fact that elections are not happening means he wants to stay in power.

youre the one being pedantic. a normal person would be like yes, youre right, I was wrong. Instead, youre like omg you knew what I meant (lol) youre being pedantic

the fact that he hasnt abdicated his job to someone else shows he wants to stay in power. Elections not happening could be for many reasons

clearly zelenksy thinks he is best at defending the country, and he does not want to let someone else lead who he feels would do a better job. Tell me where Im wrong?

False. False. And a false representation of the statement you agreed to, which completely removes the main premise of it.



Own it.

The constitution states that under martial law elections do not occur. The parliament has to vote for it! Do you two really not realize that Russia is currently invading Ukraine at the moment?

You two are arguing that by upholding a democratic constitution Zelenskyy is bypassing democracy.



The statement that Victor agreed to clearly states that Zelenskyy and parliament give one reason for why they are implementing martial law, but the true reason is Zelenskyy wants to stay in power. This is one or the other, it is clearly stated which is why PW tried to change the statement then tried to argue the original statement was incorrect (lol) when it was worried precisely. If you state you are doing something because it is needed, but really you're doing it for another reason, then you are "faking".



Holy ****.

no I didnt argue that lol vic mightve but I dont care that much. I was simply pointing out where you were wrong. Also for the millionth time, it doesnt have to be one reason or another, it can be many reasons.

right, you can state you are doing something because its needed and also do it for other reasons. this is called being responsible.

I was not wrong.

I specifically phrased the question I gave Victor so it would be one or the other. He said yes that it was not one, it was the other. So yes, it is possible that something can be done for many reasons, but in the case we are discussing it was one reason or the other.

martial law, by its nature is always going to be a consolidation of power and undemocratic. you can argue the reasons are worthwhile and in good faith. but thats not the question.

furthermore, there is no reason that they couldnt hold elections despite the martial law, or suspend martial law to have the elections.

I did not think that the idea that Zelenskyy wants to stay in power would be so controversial.

You said Vic said Zelensky was faking it. Vic never said that.

That’s it.