Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:

The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.

When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.

It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.

But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.

If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.

Thanks.

Anyway Ukraine's commander in chief officially sacked/fired/given the boot.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68244813

Given the boot for telling the truth

Not sure what the reason is, apparently the guy is quite popular with higher approval ratings according to the article.

I think you answered your own question

First post is a blatant lie, nice....





Sacking Zaluzhnyi is really bad. The fact that he's replaced by Syrskyi, the guy in charge of Bakhmut, is especially grim. I think there's a strong argument to be made that the counteroffensive failed (at its minimum goal at least) because of the insistence on also fighting in Bakhmut. A lot of people claim it was Zelenskyy that insisted on Bakhmut.



Going back even further: IMO Ukraine should have pulled out of Bakhmut and let Wagner take it way earlier. Syrskyi was in charge of the defense, and largely engaged in Soviet tactics of not caring about casualties nearly enough when the fighting there got especially intense. Not a surprise since he went to the Moscow school for warfare.


I doubt Syrskyi has anywhere close to the popularity that Zaluzhnyi had and I'm sure this will be a big blow to moral.

Do you realize that Ukraine is currently suffering a manpower crisis? And you want to disband one of their brigades... because why exactly?

Do you still want to sell them like slaves so they can be forced into reeducation camps?

Because not having a group of people who share the same racist ideologies is a GOOD idea.

Split them up. Pay them to get re educated

Links to where Azov has shown systemic racism since the start of the war.


I'm going to guess that they don't want to be reeducated. Do you think Ukraine has money to spend on such a silly thing? Don't forget that USA has the "infinite money" not Ukraine.

You want the soldiers who are fighting for their country in a war of attrition to be removed and sent into re education centers because of ideology reasons? I can see that you're stepping your game up because that's a fantastically idiotic idea.

Pretty sure I am the reason the old thread got deleted. I posted here and in one of the spam threads within a couple minutes rip

It's been explained to him many times. He's under the impression Ukraine has infinite money because USA has infinite money. (Especially lol considering what's going on now.) He thinks Ukraine should just "sell" Azov to the west for reeducation and hire private contractors for 250k a year a pop.


Ukraine should also have a 100% volunteer military and the fact that they don't is because they didn't prepare properly to defend against Russia.

Ya I don’t want my tax money going to countries that have active duty Nazi units

If they are so big that it matters, I am not ok with that

If they are so small that it doesn’t matter; then split them up

Any citation that they are a "Nazi unit"? (Not that it matters, it's still a silly proposal.)

In a crisis every asset matters.

Since we're restarting this thread can we also make a "Nazi conspiracy" thread? I've asked several times, the Nazi conspiracies took up way too much of the old Russia invasion of Ukraine thread.

You want tax money to pay for a girlfriend to **** you but not to support people who are literally fighting to stay alive - all because of your feelings on someone else. That isn't new, actually but a major life leak.

All because of the millions and millions of people that died due to slavery and more recently, world war 2.

PW I deleted your first post and then the next one. Stop directing your posts at individual posters and keep it on the thread topic.

Thanks

You disputed his characterization and asked for a cite. If he doesn't respond then stop engaging with him.

Azov isn't going to hitchhike over to Israel and kill some jews if Ukraine is able to fight off the Russians. You're displaying a monumental amount of Pavlov HONs, mostly due to western privilege and social media use to think that a fragile army fighting off an invasion should remove their own infantry because some of them would have similar ideologies to Jorgenson voters in the US

I'm hoping you meant the second post, since deleted, and not the first.

The first post past the OP. Probably a weird way of looking at it. Second post, PW's post.



This has been a months long repetition of baseless accusations, and it happens on multiple fronts. Azov is a "Nazi" army. Ukraine is a "Nazi government" formed after a "Nazi coup".

I've asked for cites for all of these, I've provided actual cites and historical context to disprove them. The people throwing the Nazi accusations disappear then come back later and repeat them. Asking me to ignore it is not realistic unfortunately, I acknowledge that is largely due to my own shortcomings in this type of thing. I would prefer to just ignore these posters since I cannot ignore them in the manner you are suggesting, but I cannot.

A two hour long interview was just released, and the White House said "don't believe anything Putin says in Tucker Carlson's interview" and said Americans "wholeheartedly" support Ukrain Aid (they used the work Aid as far as I'm aware, they care only about the money being funneled there. I hope they go deep but not too deep yet into the truth about the war because knowing what I know, I know most people aren't ready for these things yet).

I also said they'll create a distraction, which they did by announcing no charges will be filed against Biden for taking classified documents home while he was the VP (They ramsacked Trump's property over this and he DID have the authority to take them home and declassify them at will, Biden did not. See how things work? If this was the dems or the republicans they did this too there would be buildings set on fire on every street by them by their little army antifa). Depending on what they say in this video, they might create more havoc tonight or tomorrow and if they do, that'll be additional confirmation that what they say in the video is absolute truth.

I havn't seen it yet but from what I'm hearing he said NATO created a false narative that Russia wants to "expand", and he also confirmed the CIA blew up the nordstream pipeline (I posted the proof the day it happened I have the radar tape of the a/c that did it, I posted it on 2p2). The CIA is DS just like the DOJ. He also calls Ukraine a satalite state of the US (which I agree with 100%).

I also just heard there's a large fire in Moscow that just happened soon after the video was released. This could be an attack on them and I would definitely expect many in the United States if it is.

I also heard Putin accused Tucker of wanting to join the CIA, which to me doesn't mean anything. I know plenty of former very high level CIA who are good God loving patriots that knew what was going on. That doesn't make Tucker a bad guy from what I know about him so far.

He called the Americans War Pigs (I have to agree with him there) because there was a peace deal early on in the war but the Americans didn't cooperate (I'm sure it must of had something to do with the disclosure of the American DS agenda there).

I'm also hearing through my network that Russia is being attacked with Direct Energy Weapons at this time (the same type that took out Maui) I have video of it there are huge fires rn in Russia.

I'm not even watching it, I know everything that's going on there anyway. I'm just concerned about the retaliation by the DS.

https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/st...34526678925682

I'm about 30 minutes in. I learned that Poland started WW2 by being uncompromising and forcing Hitler to invade. Here's the actual quote in case anyone thinks I'm exaggerating:

Poland kindly gave their land to Russia. (I think, he pretty much glossed over USSR's pact with Nazi Germany for some reason.)


Putin rambles on the history of things for so long that Tucker had to give a disclaimer at the start of the video. Hopefully they get to something that isn't a Russified version of history soon, even Tucker is clearly annoyed by Putin's rambling. Tucker actually gives some pushback, asking if all countries should go back to 1654 borders and asking if Putin offered land to other countries who have a claim to Ukraine. This really surprised me, and I might have spoken too soon before.

Ukraine is using drones, not lasers.

Ukraine doesn't claim that is a wild fire. They hit a gas pipeline... probably with a drone, almost definitely not a laser.