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If Trump is not elected, then will the "Deep State cabal" still be in the process of being driven out of USA?

I'm confused about the communist country statement. Are those countries part of the global alliance against the cabal or not? If so it seems like that is what you can expect from that "alliance".

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03-02-2024 , 12:09 AM

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If Tucker is compromised by the CIA or an outright agent, then why is he in Russia, working against the CIA?

Seems extremely on subject.

why do you think he is working against the CIA?

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03-02-2024 , 12:11 AM

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CIA wants aid for Ukraine. Tucker was just in Russia, working as Russia's propaganda piece to stall aid to Ukraine.

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03-02-2024 , 12:19 AM

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CIA wants aid for Ukraine. Tucker was just in Russia, working as Russia's propaganda piece to stall aid to Ukraine.

maybe he wasnt tho

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03-02-2024 , 12:22 AM

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He was.

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03-02-2024 , 06:35 AM

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Trump is pro Putin and has given Putin and Xi lots of info on classified document stuff.

Helping trump hurts our military

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03-02-2024 , 10:23 PM

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https://www.wsj.com/world/russia-ukr...ument-6e12e093

Specifics about the April 22 peace deal:

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The draft treaty with Ukraine included banning foreign weapons, “including missile weapons of any type, armed forces and formations.” Moscow wanted Ukraine’s armed forces capped at 85,000 troops, 342 tanks and 519 artillery pieces. Ukrainian negotiators wanted 250,000 troops, 800 tanks and 1,900 artillery pieces, according to the document. Russia wanted to have the range of Ukrainian missiles capped at 40 kilometers (about 25 miles).

Other issues remained outstanding, notably what would happen if Ukraine was attacked. Russia wanted all guarantor states to agree on a response, meaning a unified response was unlikely if Russia itself was the aggressor. In case of an attack on Ukraine, Ukrainian negotiators wanted its airspace to then be closed, which would require guarantor states to enforce a no-fly zone, and the provision of weapons by the guarantors, a clause not approved by Russia.

It's worth noting that Russia was a guarantor, which means that after capping Ukraine's military at 85k, once Russia invaded again Russia would then need to agree for foreign aid to be allowed to go to Ukraine in order for it to be legal. Shouldn't be hard to understand that Boris Johnson played pretty much 0 role in helping Ukraine realize that this was absolutely absurd.

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03-03-2024 , 10:02 AM

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Trump is pro Putin and has given Putin and Xi lots of info on classified document stuff.

Helping trump hurts our military

No
Lol, which side are you on?
Youre just bouncing around like crazy.

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03-04-2024 , 04:28 AM

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...-aid-107711422

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U.S. officials have warned that Russia could seek to meddle in the elections of dozens of countries in 2024, when more than 50 nations accounting for half of the world's population are scheduled to hold national votes. While Russia has a strategic interest in the outcome of many of them — the European Parliament, for one — few offer the opportunity and the prize that America does.

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“They're very savvy and understand the right buttons to push," said Bret Schafer, senior fellow and head of the information manipulation team at the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a Washington-based nonprofit. "If your ultimate objective is to reduce support for Ukraine, your inroad might be talking about how bad things are on the southern border. Their path to win this thing is to get the U.S. and the E.U. to stop sending weapons and aid to Ukraine.”

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03-04-2024 , 05:01 AM

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Lol, which side are you on?
Youre just bouncing around like crazy.

The American / human side

What do you mean , no? You’re unaware that trump gave Putin /XI a list of our assets and then they were all murdered

Or you’re saying that never happened even though it’s been documented?

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03-05-2024 , 03:28 PM

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seems fine. anyway, since Zdawg jettisoned him, is it ok to call this guy what he is?

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03-05-2024 , 07:49 PM

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You previously suggested that he is an amoral Nazi warmonger who is really running the country. I'm not too sure what "he is" to you now. You've twice now posted tweets which suggest that he's solidifying his neo-nazi base so he will have the power to lead a coup, but often when you get called out for stuff like that you say that you just post Tweets because of the pretty pictures and not because of the text.

Please be precise: What are you claiming Zaluzhnyi really is?

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03-05-2024 , 08:07 PM

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I've said all along that he's way too cozy with the Banderites.

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03-05-2024 , 08:12 PM

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very precise lol

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03-05-2024 , 08:12 PM

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Source?

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03-05-2024 , 08:15 PM

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very precise lol

You want me to predict the future precisely? Sorry, I'm not that good. Been way wrong on this conflict too many times. Mainly when I thought Ukraine was gonna roll into Russia with ease.

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03-05-2024 , 08:19 PM

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Just be clear about what you're saying, no one is asking you predict the future.

You went from "Zaluzhnyi is a neo-nazi who is actually the one running things" to "He's too cozy with banderites" which is a pretty big step back from your previous stance even taking into account that "banderites" is the term you use for Nazis.

You've twice now posted content claiming that Zaluzhnyi is going to overthrow the government with his neo-nazi backing despite the fact that (according to you) the government was already overthrown in 2014 by Nazis.

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03-05-2024 , 08:51 PM

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what do you call a guy who posts pictures of Bandera and then signs books from an Azov publisher? maybe thats not a neo-Nazi I dunno.

and the guy literally was the Commander in Chief of the Ukrainian Army. he was def "running things".

I dont see anything in that post that claims he will overthrow the govt.

in that light, you should be reposting the things you accuse me of doing bc it is clear that your narration is not reflective of reality.

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03-05-2024 , 09:00 PM

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"Preparing for something?"

What do you think that refers to?

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03-05-2024 , 09:03 PM

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when the weatherman says "rain tomorrow"? I dont think he is claiming it is gonna rain.

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03-05-2024 , 09:08 PM

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It should be quite telling that you're equivocating what you meant by "running things" and also refusing to say what you're actually saying.

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03-05-2024 , 09:15 PM

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are you saying Zaluzhny had no power? are you saying Zaluzhny is anti-neo Nazi?

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03-05-2024 , 09:16 PM

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ofc you arent saying those things. I would not accuse you of that bc I am not a lying troll.

so get lost with the loaded questions and lies about past posts.

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03-05-2024 , 09:19 PM

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This is seriously shameful. At least own your own stances.

When you said that Zelenskyy was beholden to "amoral Nazi warmongers" and then posted pictures of Zaluzhnyi in front of a picture with Bandera you clearly meant that it was Zaluzhnyi running things and not Zelenskyy. You did not mean what you're now claiming with your "you really think Zaluzhnyi held no power???" bs.

Now you're posting Russian propaganda claiming that Zaluzhnyi is preparing for a Nazi coup of the already Nazi government but you're afraid to own it.

Shame.

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03-05-2024 , 09:22 PM

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no I did not mean that. no matter how many times you keep repeating it, it does not make it true. you need to learn how words work.

also probably need to look up the meaning of the word "claim".

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