seriously, why do you keep saying Russia is communist?

did you just time machine from 1980 or did you forget that they privatized the entire country and removed almost all of the safety nets around housing, health care, food, and labor?

eta, oh I see why. its bc you can dehumanize communists and feel good about fighting and murdering them.

ofc, the main problem here is that words have meaning and Russia is one of the least communist places on the planet. in terms of you know, dictionary and colloquial definitions. but I guess your definition for communism is simply people that you want to kill and feel deserve it.

Mask? What mask? I want Russia crushed. I don't care who does it.

America spends $800B a year in military and they have sent a paltry $10B.

They need to send more. A lot more.

The original question was the vietnam war and the stated reasons for fighting there.

Communism was spreading all over and it was important to stop it from spreading. USA was somewhat successful in Korea.

In the end USA managed to stop communism from spreading globally.

It was absolutely necessary for USA to do what it did during cold war.

Nazis: Bad!

Communists: Great!

always

sometimes

I mean liberals like to act as if they are great humanitarians that care about life and freedom and all. so it is refreshing that you are ready to admit that the true liberal ideology is relentless warmongering and murder or anyone that can be perceived as an enemy by the state propaganda apparatus.

most liberals are not as honest as you and for that I commend you.

oh I thought you were calling these Russian warmongers communists.

USA was successful in genociding Korea and helping the South Koreans murder 100s of thousands of peasants. USA is really good at that. they werent so good at running off the communists considering well Juche...

Communism didnt spread bc the USA literally murdered anyone that was left of an equivalent Mitt Romney. All across Europe, Africa, the Carribean and the Central America.

I guess if you can justify that then OK? but me, well I call that murder, genocide, theft, and, slavery. I dont support that sort of stuff but I at least respect that you admit that you do.

The only way to beat Hitler was to crush him on the battlefield.

Putin is our modern day Hitler.

Many more lives were saved.

Not having communism spread was worth it.

bruv, these are incompatible.

Communism beat Hitler.

it also took more people out of poverty and increased life expectancy and quality of life far faster and better than anything else.

Well actually....

RE the fascist regimes communism replaced: "The socialist countries did not take away any rights that didn't exist there already!"

But sure there are circumstances where socialism outperforms capitalism.

You mean like Communists have acted for the last 100 years?

A discussion on the background of the war was moved here.

I gained some more important information now and feel the urge to share it with you.

the black sea is top priority for the Russians. it represents their access to sea routes, in fact the one who controls the naval passages for oil shipments, controls the whole world, at least the region. I will add a video later and strongly recommend watching it.

the whole reason the US has claimed (stolen actually) Guam and Hawaii (pearl harbour) and installed military bases apl over the pacific etc. is to control these naval passages for oil shippings. this is really like 3d chess, whoever has more stones in this chessfield controls everything.
now it looks like the US tried to set a stone in the field in the black sea. the Russians of course didn't like that. (or could not allow this?


and it is vital for each country to control the seas and the passages and routes for their oil. if one passage gets taken out, the country dies. no more oil, anyone can extort them control them and they are not free anymore. that's why these wars.

what do you mean by successful?
on side has the highest suicide rates in the world the other side is starving to death. the whole country is ****ed. Korea was cut in half and never reunited. probably never will.

there is a reason for this. China and Russia would never allow it that the US gets so close to their borders. the US would install nuclear warheads immediately right on the border to China if they did.

who do I blame? both the US and the Russia. why not leave the country alone? they got used for politics. one side is basically a US the other side Russian Chinese still.

and don't fall for, its all Kim Jun, that's not true at all. he would fall in a heartbeat if China didn't want him there. they very much want him there , they use him like a the dog from help which is guarding their gate. same with the Russians.

here you can learn about the string of pearl theory and that everything, literally everything is to do with controlling the oceans, sea routes for oil.

yes that includes of course also the black sea.

and it's always wars in countries who control and are next to these sea passages. Ukraine, Eritrea etc. that's why the Russian fight about crimea i.e.

Ukraine has never posed a threat to Russia's access to the Black Sea, nor to Russia's access to the Mediterranean beyond.

Ukraine did for that matter not represent a threat to Russia or any other nation. Since its independence in 1991, Ukraine has been one of the most peaceful nations in Europe.

Now, I'm sure the Russian regime has concerns about Turkey, the Bosporus strait and the new channel, but so what? In what possible universe is the solution to launch a WW2-scale land invasion into Ukraine?

there are people who argue there are. they already set up military bases in Ukraine at least funded them with money and weapons. what do you think they would do of they had access to crimea. logic tells me they would install military naval based there. and the Russians would never like US warships in the black sea. I think nobody wouldn't like that from the neighbouring states.

Putin and Erdogan unifies the same objective: to keep the west out.
so I don't understand why Russia should fear Turkey.
they also have a similar style of ruling. so you could argue they are partners?

Russia on the other hand very much fears the US setting up military bases near their borders which they did and promised not to do. also labs btw.

that's my impression anyways.

China, Russia, Moldova, Chechnia, all have the same goal imo which is to keep the west out. without taking any sides. by the way, did you know that the majority of Chechnia is muslim?

that's why Kabeeb, Chechnian, the UFC champion is a Muslim. it's west vs east imo noting else. maybe Christians vs Muslims.

How do you think the USA would feel if China partnered with Canada and Mexico and set up bases along the border of the USA. Russia is 100% in the wrong but I also feel expanding NATO could of been a mistake. Though who knows what goes through the minds of people like Putin

20/20 Hindsight says the time for the massive sanctions was when Russia invaded Crimea

I'd think it was a bit unfair if the US response was to invade Greenland.

So technically and historically....

Even if you attributed the defeat of Hitler entirely to Russia and other communist countries (which it wasn't), it doesn't make sense to cite the defeat of Hitler as a validation of communism.

Do you view the defeat of Japan in WWII as a validation of capitalism? I don't, and I doubt you do either.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is is no way justified.

But I think that is fair to ask whether expansion of NATO (and the discussion of further expansion of NATO) precipitated an unjustifiable invasion of Ukraine that otherwise might have been avoided. I don't know the answer to that question. My guess is that Russia would have invaded Ukraine eventually no matter what happened with NATO, but the prospect of additional expansion may have accelerated the timing.

But that's just a guess.

what?? without russia the USA would belong to the third reich today imo. I think there was a big chnce for this. ask a historian. the russians did a major part in bringing them down.


In Russia Hitler realized he was beat imo. The thing is he couldnt fight on all fronts at the same time with all forces.