I think they already invaded in 2014, maybe not as obvious. But russia funded and backed pro russian insurgents. This is how the russians and experts like mearshheimer put it: The stakes got increased and increased until there was only one move left for russia, all in.


I am not defending or rationalizing here. but this is what they say.

I mean, you are taking my halfway ironical tongue in cheek post out of context

as for Japan, well its just capitalism vs capitalism so no ofc its not a validation. but again, that wasnt the point of my post or the previous back and forth.

The entire mearsheimer NATO aggression argument is false and disproven.

Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 under not NATO threat.

Scandinavian countries are joining NATO right now and Russia said "we dont care".

Who cares how they feel?

Russia knows it is an aggressor. Russia knows it is imperialist and warmongering. Russia knows it is a murdering dictatorship.

Its like asking the murderer if he feels bad that concrete walls were built around him.

The allies helped Russia during ww2 to beat hitler. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.

After hitler was defeated, communism became the next #1 threat to humanity. So NATO was formed and wars were waged to stop communism from spreading.

A fair guess and one I agree with.

Because to think otherwise would be to greatly discount the Financial reasons for Russia to invade and IMO that is the primary reason.

Putin has an endless thirst for more wealth and lot of Oligarch mouths to feed. Moreso Ukraine was finally turning things around, having driven Putin's puppet out and the country was showing real optimism and hope and growth and drawing in all sorts of investment at the same time Russian GSP remained mired and embarrassing.

the very turnaround and success of Ukraine, having shed itself of Putin and his Oligarchs was like a middle finger in Putin's eye.

USA woulda won with or without Russia.

USA was making the bomb no matter what by 1945.

Every German city would have been a crater in 1945. Nazi germany was never close to making nukes.

You could insert The USA into many of those sentences and they would be true also . Of course Russia is the aggressor and wrong but sadly it will not stop them

NATO was established because USSR was conquering whatever country it could during and immediately after ww2 and not allowing elections.

So NATO was defensive in nature.

Russia lies to the world willingly and says NATO is the aggressor. It is their MO to always lie and deflect to muddle the conversation. Its their defacto argument rhetoric.


And remember, when you say "well what about USA etc", that is exactly the rhetoric Russia uses to justify invading Ukraine or meddling in foreign affairs.

this is blatantly false.

oh ya that thing about elections is especially funny bc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_N...ocal_elections

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_S...embly_election

Communists brought democracy to Korea a full 2 years before "NATO"

LOL.

You think that Germany would have taken over the U.S. mainland but for Russia? I don't think a single serious person in the world believes that.

Fair enough.

And Germany wasn't close to being able to project conventional power on a massive scale on the U.S. mainland.

if Germany beat USSR then they wouldnt be fighting USA. they would be best friends.

Honestly, I have no clue. All we know is that the US had the better german scientists to win the war didnt they?

Id like to know why the US didnt have their own brilliant scientists ala Heisenberg.


I think the germans got majorly tilted when doped up hitler was losing everything and losing fast. They definenetly misplayed in the end game. At the final table so to say they sucked. wtf were they even thinking? You cant take on everyone at the same time. crazy bastards.

Im reading deviating opinions now. Some say that is true, some say the germans were closer than is commonly known. That it all happend in secrecy is of no help in establishing the truth. There are secret bunkers that still remain untouched and unexplored. They had the people they had the material, what they didnt have is the clear mind space and time. And that made scientists escape and go over to the americans. What we know is that they went crazy and messed up everyting, and thank god they did.

US science, especially fundamental research, wasn't on the level of Germany or England pre WWII, but Oppenheimer WAS the US equivalent of Heisenberg.

Defeating Germany in Europe isn't the same thing as defending the U.S. mainland. If you are going to argue that Germany would have controlled the U.S. mainland but for Russia, you really are going to have to show your work, because you are practically the only person in the world who believes that.

I don't believe that. I'm glad that it happened how it happened. just wanted to point out that the Russians did a major part. but that's never the narrative. in the US the narrative is we kicked the Germans ass and that is only partially true. the Russian decimated the Germans, and without them who knows how it would have played out.

The Russians did a lot of the heavy lifting to break the Nazi's but to Rocco's point, there is no way they were going to cross the Atlantic and occupy America.

they had submarine and boats and weapons. but the more problematic thing is they had tons of evil but brilliant scientists who could have solved that problem with the ocean. luckily some of them fled the evil system and switched over and didnt want anything to do with the evil system. I'm glad it didn't happened, trust me. just saying from a science standpoint as was pointed out itt, the UK and Germany were ahead and had an edge.

that's coming from someone who hates the Germans for their history and arrogance. but somehow they stayed indoors and hecked evil plans and studied and studied and tried to find out how to progress and progress. probably due to bad weather as the brits.

they were busy trying to conquer Europe. but they also had ships like the Bismarck. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ...ropean%20power.

Hamburg I.e. had always huge marinas and boat manufacturers, the whole coast did.


the Japanese had the biggest battle ships, 73.000 tons. and as you know they were working together.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...ogy-technology


so yes if they focused only on one opponent instead of the whole world they might have got the US.

maybe T_D can fill us in, I think he is an expert in military stuff.

Communism would perhaps be better than capitalism if most people followed the maxim "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs". But the large majority personally only want to have the second part, and this would be even more true if the upside of the first part, which sometimes occurs in capitalism, was largely removed.