It's the Constitution, not me. I agree it's flawed, but that what the brightest minds ever in the history of the world could come up with so that's what we are stuck with.

Touché.

The wheels starting to fall off Taylor's story. Lol. This stuff is so predictable.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...stimony-report

It is fine to gain politically when acting in the national interest. That is literally how democracy is supposed to work. This has already been explained to you, but you still want to pretend that you have sprung a clever trap.

That is the point where legality is actually relevant. Implementing policies is their job and if by doing so they help themselves politically that's fine. Hell even cooperating with other countries in a way that is politically favourable for them is fine provided it's being done via transparent and legal means. What is not fine is using the position of president to make deals behind closed doors that involve illegal withholding congressionally approved aid to a foreign country in return for purely domestic political gain.

As far as common legality goes what Trump has done is illegal under multiple different laws. The only question when it comes to impeachment is whether congress (and it is specifically congress because they are the only people given the power to do so by the constitution) decides that it is acceptable for the president to use his position as being above the law in this way.

Person accused of crime says they are not guilty of crime. Huge news, this clearly disproves everything.

It's not even that he's denying it, just saying that he "doesn't recall". Personally I would lean towards giving more credence to the person renowned for taking copious notes and who was testifying under oath over a lawyer saying his client "doesn't recall" something.

For Sondland's lawyer to say his client "does not recall" is a dodge to avoid perjury. It does not mean that the "wheels are starting to fall off Taylor's story." Taylor took notes. Your response is "so predictable".

Incompetence isn't an excuse

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/t...ccarthy-argues

based on these questions, are you admitting that Trump used the withholding of the aid solely for his personal gain? If not or if only partially, what percentages would you give his conduct between having a national interest (or motive) and a personal interest (or motive)?

I guess the Bezos extortion over the dirty pics by the brother wasn't actually a crime because it was unsuccessful. Or the bank robbers that get caught...

Unilaterally witholding the aid was already illegal, it doesn't even matter what the reason was.

sondlands lawyer says sondland doesnt remember! im laughing at u.

i already told u...bill taylor, harvard, west point, vietnam, bronze star, appointee of reagan, W, pompeo...described a high crime under oath in detail with documents.

the debate is over. Trump will get his due process in a trial before the Senate. Evidence will be made public. and shockingly to nobody with any sense it will match what bill taylor said. under oath.

Anyone who thinks Trump's intent was simply to get dirt on Biden that he could use in his campaign is simply wrong. Trump wanted to injure Biden politically by having him "under investigation" in a well publicized way. Of all people, Trump knows the smear value of a person being publicly "under investigation". That's why he insisted Zelensky go on CNN and publicly announce the investigation.

Trump couldn't tolerated even being under suspicion of being under investigation by the FBI on Russia. That's why he pressured Comey to announce that he was not under investigation and Comey's refusal was largely why Trump fired him. Trump was not going to let Comey turn him into Hillary.

Once Biden was under investigation, no real dirt need be found. Trump was more than ready to lie Biden into the ground with fake stuff from here to the election. Rinse and repeat the Hillary treatment.


PairTheBoard

last week general matis told trump he earned his spurs in combat whereas trumps daddy's doctor gave trump his spurs. mueller. taylor. mccain. remember when conservatives honored our vets and didnt call them criminals, cowards, weak, and liars? u must be proud.

yep

The Trump administration was signaling it would hold up things for Ukraine, more than just military aid.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...127_story.html

taylor said under oath that sondland told taylor trump is a businessman. payment in advance. everything on the table is on the table and payment up front. meetings, weapons, trade...gimme my statement. up front. tell the world 2016, server, hunter biden.

sondland omitted this conversation when he testified. the only defense his lawyers can say is the obvious, he doesnt remember. he will come back and confirm it. sondland isnt taking the fall.

The Taylor-Sondland text messages show clear as day what was going on to anyone who isn't sticking their head in the sand.

Taylor messages Sondland "Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?"

Sondland then (by his own testimony) spends the next four hours looking for an answer, takes marching orders for Trump for what to answer and then gives an answer so obviously legalese that it is painful to read, where he denies this.

Obviously his only defense by now is "I don't recall", he understood when he got that text message where this might end up and he now knows where it will end up. It's either "I don't recall", perjury or admitting a crime.

But hey, at least it's fun to imagine the rising panic when he was scrambling around to answer Taylor's text.

we'll see...Luskin below is Sondland's lawyer...https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/s...-doesnt-recall

so we can add conspiracy to the list of charges Trump will be facing.

In before vegas and others claim conspiracy isn't a crime.

Oh wow the corrupt business man who committed perjury is disagreeing with the non partisan career employee who took copious notes on everything and in fact was shown in Trump’s own transcript to be aware Quid pro quo was happening.

If that is falling apart, you trump sycophants are going to have an extremely difficult time. Right now Sondland’s attorney is scrambling to avoid his client being charged with perjury. He may be recalled which is only worse for him.

But yeah it is really falling apart.

so long as taylor isnt a man of high character, didnt take notes, and didnt text sondland "as i just told u on the phone this scheme is crazy", trump should be fine. how proud trump supporters must be.

not human scum.

john bolton probably doesn't have anything to add. not really a detail oriented uptight square.

Lol Your non partisan career employee is a Never Trumper dude. He's already been discredited. Time to find another deep state sycophant to lie his ass off.

Shifty's probably got a whole list of them.

Do you have any proof of that beyond Trump's words? By the way, do you play poker at all? You made two postings in the beginning and then...