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Trump-Ukraine Imbroglio: Who Is That Whistleblower? Trump-Ukraine Imbroglio: Who Is That Whistleblower?

12-13-2019 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by grando1.0
People actually think Obama/Biden didn't threaten to withhold Ukrainian aid?! On 2+2???!! Lol
FYP
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12-13-2019 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
As head of the executive branch he has the constitutional right to ignore subpoenas until they are enforced by a court of law.
Joeduncecap, It's a one page document. How about citing the clause in the Constitution that you believe contains this moronic belief? I know you have no caseload supporting your stupidity.
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12-13-2019 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Joeduncecap, It's a one page document. How about citing the clause in the Constitution that you believe contains this moronic belief? I know you have no caseload supporting your stupidity.
OK. Here you go.


Spoiler:
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12-13-2019 , 07:32 AM
https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1204745148007157765
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12-13-2019 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1204745148007157765
Now that was awesome.

Not that it will cure the unjust smearjobs they have been and will be subjected to, but still it is a powerful cover.
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12-13-2019 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
OK. Here you go.


Spoiler:

Cool. Why not take the next logical step and openly admit that even if Trump came out humping linkage on national TV that would not change your need to worship and follow him, because he represents a victory for people like you, no questions asked. Seems it would save time on your part from annoying questions asking you for facts and details, and it would save time for those on the other side that try to defeat you with logic and reasoning.

You are a full blown Trump riggie. Just embrace it and the freedoms it provides. You can troll the triggered libs even better. You do not have to worry about trying to find facts or citations. You do not have to justify anything. You will be the living embodiment of the picture you posted. Why be so afraid to just embrace what you are? Very strange, as most likely your niche will have to go back to the shadows and whine there in the future, so take advantage of your moment now and be loud and proud as a full on, in your face, Trump riggie.

Also, feel free to engage the all-in Bernie Bro in some of the other threads. That dynamic of two distinct groups of angry white dudes "debating" would be somewhat entertaining to watch, even if the real world ramifications are not so ideal, given the "Jerry Springer" show like scenario that represents.

All the best.
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12-13-2019 , 08:00 AM
McConnell on air on Fox news stating that he will coordinate what evidence is introduced and which witnesses are called with White House counsel.

I guess we could call that an A for honesty and F for integrity.

It also sounds fairly arrogant. He certainly has the votes to get an acquittal regardless of the overwhelming evidence, but it seems unlikely that he has the votes to run a banana republic trial.
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12-13-2019 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
FYP
I don't think I've ever seen a worse FYP. Literally nobody on 2+2 thinks Obama and Biden didn't threaten to withhold aid. It was public, bipartisanly agreed upon US foreign policy, endorsed by anti-corruption activists in Ukraine as well as the IMF (who also threatened to withhold funds) and the EU.

The issue is not simply using the threat of withholding money as leverage - although doing so without congressional approval would be iffy by itself - it is using it as leverage for personal political gain.
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12-13-2019 , 09:02 AM
In case it’s not blatantly obvious, the GOP reps are desperately trying to not have to go down in history books as protecting a president they know to be corrupt.

At least they are hoping to make the vote when nobody is watching.

Notice this is in direct contradiction to Trump’s desire to make the biggest spectacle out of the impeachment proceedings possible.

My guess is a lot of Republicans in Congress feel trapped on the wrong side of history.

What a time to be alive.
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12-13-2019 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
In case it’s not blatantly obvious, the GOP reps are desperately trying to not have to go down in history books as protecting a president they know to be corrupt.

At least they are hoping to make the vote when nobody is watching.

Notice this is in direct contradiction to Trump’s desire to make the biggest spectacle out of the impeachment proceedings possible.

My guess is a lot of Republicans in Congress feel trapped on the wrong side of history.

What a time to be alive.
I suspect a lot of them are having thoughts that go something alone the lines of...
"**** that ****head, his ******* stupidity, ******* incompetence and this entire thing ******* sucks. How the **** could anybody be so ******* stupid to think this was ******* okay?"

before they go on to say...

"Well, I would have preferred it handled differently, but I wouldn't say it is impeachable and there is obviously a very questionable and partisan effort to make it seem that way"


My apologies for the swearing (censored or not), but I'm fairly sure it is realistic.
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12-13-2019 , 09:40 AM
Probably worth mentioning a lot of GOP just called it quits and announced their retirements already.

And yeah, I agree that’s what a lot of them are cursing Trump off in their heads. I am sure at some point one of them will do a Freudian slip and call Trump a ****head while trying to pretend scream at some witness.
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12-13-2019 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Ever heard of a thing called executive privilege? If not I suggest you look it up.
They didn't claim executive privilege, bro. They just didn't show up.
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12-13-2019 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
OK. Here you go.

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You mad, Pops? Is that a picture of your wife or daughter? Is your response to these questions the same or do you have another meme?

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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Joeduncecap,

Do you have an explanation of why Trump used Giuliani and kept his diplomatic corp in the dark about holding the funding and the investigation requirement?

What about an explanation for the secrecy in holding the funding and not having the interagency board do further investigation of corruption or the contributing funds from allies research for 45 days, if those were real reasons to delay the funding. Why not tell other members of the republicans or complete house and senate why he was withholding the aid before being caught?

If "linkage" was provided through testimony of Pompeo and Bolton, did Trump commit an impeachable offense?
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12-13-2019 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
In case it’s not blatantly obvious, the GOP reps are desperately trying to not have to go down in history books as protecting a president they know to be corrupt.

At least they are hoping to make the vote when nobody is watching.

Notice this is in direct contradiction to Trump’s desire to make the biggest spectacle out of the impeachment proceedings possible.

My guess is a lot of Republicans in Congress feel trapped on the wrong side of history.

What a time to be alive.
Not sure what you mean by the bolded

Since it's obvious this impeachment is going nowhere, why do you think they are continuing to push it forward?
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12-13-2019 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
My guess is a lot of Republicans in Congress feel trapped on the wrong side of history.
If you don't want to get trapped, then don't put your hand in bear traps.


Last edited by Rococo; 12-13-2019 at 03:34 PM.
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12-13-2019 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Bribery. Also, the president doesn't have to be guilty of criminal statues to be impeached and removed. But you know that. You've just got to get your quota up so that you beat Igor for troll of the month.
Sexual assault, sexual battery, sexual battery of a minor, extortion...
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12-13-2019 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
You are aware that someone can't be called a criminal until they are actually convicted of a crime. Right?



What crimes has he personally been convicted for?
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12-13-2019 , 05:18 PM
No difference between Bidens threatening aid and Trump's doing it. For example, take Presidents withholding trade status for human rights violations...economic blackmail or normal US policy... oppose any financial transactions for official US policy? That is clearly wrong. Or right.

but it cannot be ok in one instance and not ok in another. If a President withholds $1.00 and demands babies be thrown into a pit. Or $1.00 and say hey stop throwing babies in a pit! both ways it's blackmail. or fine. can't be either/or. idk why but that is just how it is when i keep repeating it.
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12-13-2019 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
I think the point he was making was that Obama routinely did this and let the courts decide if he needed to comply. During the hearings it was described as fairly standard procedure for the president given their position and rights. That might not be correct but that's what is being said in the hearings. If that's the case, its certainly a long ways from the dumbest thong
Obama ignored subpoenas during an impeachment hearing?
****, news to me
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12-13-2019 , 05:42 PM
like hillary would ever submit to a process that included star chamber secret depositions and the obama admin would ever give documents to republican controlled congress if they questioned the 1st and the 2nd and the 9th and 10th investigations into a subject. like anyone would ever testify for 11 hours and not just site "perjury trap" whatever that is, and privilege and squirrel.

i get it, benghazi was made up and impeachment is different in that it is serious. but at the time some said bengahzi was serious. and same process, same rules, full cooperation.

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12-13-2019 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Not sure what you mean by the bolded

Since it's obvious this impeachment is going nowhere, why do you think they are continuing to push it forward?
Within most of our life times, Trump’s presidency will get exposed and go down as one of the most corrupt in modern history.

And there will be a footnote the house democrats did their job to remove Trump while the GOP circled the wagons around someone they knew to be guilty.

I actually believe Pelosi when she said this isn’t about politics. This is a massive political risk for Dems and I don’t think they have much to gain from this. They can achieve the same positive effects by just continuing existing and launching new investigations.
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12-13-2019 , 05:55 PM
Dersh nails it pretty well.
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Under our constitutional system of separation of powers, Congress may not compel the Executive Branch to cooperate with an impeachment investigation absent court orders. Conflicts between the Legislative and Executive Branches are resolved by the Judicial Branch, not by the unilateral dictate of a handful of partisan legislators. It is neither a crime nor an impeachable offense for the president to demand that Congress seek court orders to enforce their demands. Claims of executive and other privileges should be resolved by the Judicial Branch, not by calls for impeachment.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1...ers-new-crimes
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12-13-2019 , 06:21 PM
last time i read a link from you, like 2 months ago, you were breathlessly announcing BIDEN HAS BEEN CAUGHT! www.ukrainenewsflash.ussr.gov said former ukraine rep made a statement saying biden left with 15.3 trillion octillion dollars up his ass.
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12-13-2019 , 07:21 PM
dershowitz is either a lying scumbag or has dementia. this has been mentioned before when you bring him up. he can't be consider a remotely reliable source.

also he's been credibly accused of having sex with minors.. which i guess as far as right wing heroes go that's fairly standard, but still.
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12-13-2019 , 07:42 PM
Dementia? Bullshit. He seems pretty sharp to me.

As for the accusations of sex with minors. They look far from credible in actual fact.
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