Come on man
They also used to drill holes in people's heads and dish out lobotomies for mental illness.

Also electric shock therapy and a whole host of other barbaric things.

And no reason to think they have all the answers now either.

The clinically significant distress is the key. As the article states at the end where it defines the terms:

The deleted post states that ALL transgender people suffer from a mental disorder that is a delusion about feeling they are a different gender mentally than what their body is. And therefore NO transgender people actually exist because they are all suffering from the mental disorder called gender dysphoria. That is simply not true. Thise who suffer from gender dysphoria are not simply everyone who feels the incongruence between their mental and physical states. But rather it only applies to thise who suffer significant distress and impairment as a result of it.

So yes, telling an entire category of people that they all suffer from a mental condition and are experiencing delusions, is, in fact, a hateful thing to do.

Through personal interactions and life experience I believe without a doubt people are born gay, bi, etc... I don't believe they've found the "gay gene" but it seems pretty obvious to me.
So if you agree the vast majority of gay people are born that way, is it really that long of a bridge to cross that people are born with the wrong anatomy?

Well yes. I'm not of the belief that gay people are born with some sort of wrong sexuality or that it's even maladaptive* (not that I'm a fan of that sort of thinking because I'm not). But I don't think there is anything "wrong" with gay people that needs correcting.

Being born with the wrong anatomy would be a different situation entirely.

*The more older brother's one has the more likely one is to be gay, and you can see how that might come in handy.

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It would seem you have a high bar for determining truth for one side of the argument, but not for the other.

Nature does all kinds of weird ****. Don't think it's such a stretch to believe that .5% of the world's population is born with incompatible anatomy.
I could also be persuaded to believe that being born that way could lead to mental illness given the confusion and societal hardships that it can put on a person.

I didn't see the deleted posts, but I agree with this. Being "born in the wrong body" may well lead to some mental health issues, or it may not - all people are different.

It's also true that many people suffer from sever and/or complex mental health issues, and this may cause gender dysphoria - in the same way it might cause an eating disorder.

In the first case, the correct thing to do is affirm the gender dysphoria and treat the mental health condition. In the second case, the correct thing to do is treat the mental health condition, and see if the dysphoria is alleviated.

Problems arise when the dysphoria is treated as a symptom not a cause, or vice versa.

Would it be a stretch to believe that humans are complex psychological creatures and that sexuality and ideas about gender can get crossed up?

Being either trans or gay may not be coded for in the genes but partially determined before birth by the balance of hormones exposed to the fetus. That would still be considered somewhat natural, and I'm guessing that is behind the birth order relationship mentioned above.

Sure, but you're born wired how you are wired. So then it would just be a debate about definitions.

Well no. You're assuming that "gender" is part of the wiring and that's not an assumption that I have. Sexuality is the wiring-- 'gender" is something that society overlays on top of it.

Yes, I am assuming that. I have a hard time believing that people are going to voluntarily put themselves through the hardship of transitioning because....? There is something inside of them that they know they are in the wrong body. You're much more well read on the subject than me but it seems pretty cut and dry. Like I don't need to spend years researching the Bilderberg meetings to know there is some nefarious **** going on there.
Or lets say it is a mental illness. What's the best treatment for that? I would propose transitioning would be the optimal treatment and having society be more inclusive.

Other than the small percentage of people born with fetal alcohol syndrome, people aren't born alcoholics either. Society creates the conditions for it and then you have a certain percentage of people who through who through their own choices and genetic disposition are funneled into it. They wish they could stop drinking but are compelled to.

I'm sure it's not a perfect analogy, but the point is that society is creating the conditions for both alcoholism and gender dysphoria. Imagine living in a culture where people are in touch with themselves, with nature, etc-- where there is no internet or puberty blocking hormones. Will gay people still exist? Yes almost certainly because we can be pretty sure that when this experiment was ran they did-- but people weren't clamoring to get their sex organs cut off because it wasn't something people conceived was a possibility.

What the solution now is though? Idk. People should be able to do whatever they want. I certainly am not suggesting otherwise. With kids though it's a bit different because kids don't have the full capacity to understand the consequences of their actions, and my suggestion is that we de-emphasize gender, let boys play with dolls and girls with toy trucks if they want, or not, instead of taking them to the gender clinic. Although ultimately it's too late for that as Pandora's box has already been opened and you can't close it. The best we can hope for is that science catches up.

what's after gen Z? if they are 20% now the next generation will be at last 25%, right? I mean look at the trend.

generation z is crazy in so many ways.
cell phone with 3 years old. and then they are looking at their phones all day.

yea it's rising. but gen z is nuts.
how do you get from 10% in 2017 to 20.8% in 2022?

interesting that gen x is so low compared to gen z. and gen z picks up steadily.

I thought there are substantially more gay people in big cities.

Yes but its Trendy and we all know kids want to be part of the Trend and do stupid things .

Even a Clinical Phycologist DR Erica Anderson a Trans person acknowledges we have gone to far

As for kids yes there may be the odd one that has undergone surgery that seems to be doing great and for everyone I am sure I can show you one that regrets the decision that is why countries like Sweden and Finland very progressive countries have banned even puberty blockers for Children. We do not know the long term effects. We do know the hinder growth of bone density and a few other issues

The fact that it seems in some states you can say I want trans surgery go though a few hours of counselling and get it done is criminal

There are so many things we do not allow kids to do till they are 16 or 18 is because kids are impressionable and not fully matured and any doctor that cant understand this is not performing surgery but mutilation of a child

I personally may be more accepting of the procedures if there was a national standard of many hours of counselling and a waiting period but we all know that will not happen so till than you can wait till your 18 for any surgery

yea! you would think if they hear critical stories and voices from experts, so shrinks and gender surgents, they would pay it some attention! but they dont!
its the same with the covid experts, they are bad and evil. lol
Its almost funny how far they go to get their will/agenda through.

It's not super complicated.

If you make race out to be a huge deal and put a societal level focus on it, people will focus on race.

If you make gender out to be a huge deal and put a societal level focus on it, people will focus on gender. It's almost as if people are malleable.

But to Ukes point I have seen both sides of the transition were one teenager is super happy and living a full life . The problem still exists if you allow 100 kids to transition(surgery) and a percentage regret it what does that % have to be to make all children wait till their 18?

100 % disagree with you on this one.

tough question, idk.

This phenomena has always existed among young people, or at least is has since Gen X.

Lesbian until graduation