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11-28-2020 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Yep, history is filled with successful societies which engaged in Kantian ethics as a foreign policy.
I assume this is sarcsasm,

If so mispaced. I think the golden rule is a good starting place for moriity but I can't make the categorical imperative work.
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11-28-2020 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
I would have said that, among bien-pensants, it was entirely the other way round. Everything the Tehran regime does is OK, and a monster like Soleimani was a saint, but everything Israel or the West does is wrong.
Best straw man I've seen on this forum in awhile.
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11-29-2020 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I can pretty much promise you that thousands of people have been assassinated and killed by various governments to stop nuclear proliferation, and it has little to do with maintaining colonies in the name of the empire.
it has everything to do with it
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11-29-2020 , 04:28 AM
It's just governance mafia style. I guess it makes sense you all voted for Trump and support assasinating scientists.
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11-29-2020 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Joe T's
it has everything to do with it
No, it really doesn't. It has to do with the capability of this material, even if applied on a small scale and in a low-technology capacity, to kill millions and make big regions of land uninhabitable for thousands of years. And of course the countless number of groups who are salivating at the idea of using this weapon against whomever it is this particular group was formed around hating.

Iran is in large part controlled by a theocracy, served by its own unique faction of the military, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which has severe corruption problems: Part news network, part construction company, part mafia, part expeditionary force, part religious education program and wholly byzantine. It's this arm of the Iranian armed forces which would ultimately be in control of any nuclear weapons project.

It's hard to put into "western" terms, but as an analogy: Take the craziest conservative hardliners you can think of that has served in the US military, put them under direct control of the craziest, aggressive and conspiracy-prone religious church you can think of. Put it all outside political governance and allow it complete veto power over congress and the president. Let the most corrupt wall street brokers run the infrastructure of it all, sprinkle it all with a bit of mafia and then hand them some enriched uranium.
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11-29-2020 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Probably quite effective, in fact. First it effectively decapitates the Iranian nuclear-weapons programme. Second it reminds the Iranian ruling clique that, when they keep threatening to wipe Israel off the map, Israel is going to take an adverse view of that kind of talk. Third it reminds the same clique that Israeli agents can operate inside Iran with impunity, as they have done on several previous occasions.

All of this

And it was definitely done with Saudi support this time
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11-29-2020 , 12:01 PM
Israel Saudi and Pompeo have a "secret" meeting. The "secret" meeting is leaked everywhere and then this happens

If it was Israel, they 100% had ours and Saudis support
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11-30-2020 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Israel Saudi and Pompeo have a "secret" meeting. The "secret" meeting is leaked everywhere and then this happens

If it was Israel, they 100% had ours and Saudis support
Here is David Sanger (their best-sourced reporter on Obama admin foreign policy) from the NYT:

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WASHINGTON — The assassination of the scientist who led Iran’s pursuit of a nuclear weapon for the past two decades threatens to cripple President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s effort to revive the Iran nuclear deal before he can even begin his diplomacy with Tehran.

And that may well have been a main goal of the operation.
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Whatever the mix of motives, Mr. Biden must pick up the pieces in just seven weeks. The question is whether the deal the president-elect has outlined — dropping the nuclear-related sanctions Mr. Trump has imposed over the past two years if Iran returns strictly to the nuclear limits in the 2015 accord — was shot to pieces along with Mr. Fakhrizadeh’s S.U.V. in the mountain town of Absard, east of Tehran.
I'd be surprised if the Trump administration don't support this assassination, even if they didn't sign off on it prior to it happening.
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11-30-2020 , 02:59 PM
so, uh, a remote control unmanned mounted machine gun on a self detonating truck...

did michael bay plan this assassination?
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11-30-2020 , 05:09 PM
Welcome to the beginning of the future.
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11-30-2020 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Probably quite effective, in fact. First it effectively decapitates the Iranian nuclear-weapons programme.
If Iraq had just assassinated American general, second Iraq war would have never happened. Good thing United States killed Osama Bin Laden, it completely stopped Islamic terrorism worldwide.

This is most likely Mossad and the reason is simply political to stop Iran Nuclear deal from going forward.
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11-30-2020 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
so, uh, a remote control unmanned mounted machine gun on a self detonating truck...

did michael bay plan this assassination?
Either him or "Heisenberg".
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11-30-2020 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Imaginary F(r)iend
If Iraq had just assassinated American general, second Iraq war would have never happened. Good thing United States killed Osama Bin Laden, it completely stopped Islamic terrorism worldwide.

This is most likely Mossad and the reason is simply political to stop Iran Nuclear deal from going forward.
I've always suspected the second Iraq war happened because Saddam attempted to assassinate GW's Dad.
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12-01-2020 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
No, it really doesn't. It has to do with the capability of this material, even if applied on a small scale and in a low-technology capacity, to kill millions and make big regions of land uninhabitable for thousands of years. And of course the countless number of groups who are salivating at the idea of using this weapon against whomever it is this particular group was formed around hating.

Iran is in large part controlled by a theocracy, served by its own unique faction of the military, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which has severe corruption problems: Part news network, part construction company, part mafia, part expeditionary force, part religious education program and wholly byzantine. It's this arm of the Iranian armed forces which would ultimately be in control of any nuclear weapons project.

It's hard to put into "western" terms, but as an analogy: Take the craziest conservative hardliners you can think of that has served in the US military, put them under direct control of the craziest, aggressive and conspiracy-prone religious church you can think of. Put it all outside political governance and allow it complete veto power over congress and the president. Let the most corrupt wall street brokers run the infrastructure of it all, sprinkle it all with a bit of mafia and then hand them some enriched uranium.
this is just a patronizing response that skips over the matter at hand.

also "thousands of people have been assassinated and killed by various governments to stop nuclear proliferation" but not jonahtgan polladr wonder why that was (spoiler: because it was not proliferating to one of the darkened hordes of freedom-haters)

not to mention this whole line of reasoning begs the question about iran working on a nucular weapon anyway
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12-01-2020 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I've always suspected the second Iraq war happened because Saddam attempted to assassinate GW's Dad.
you and everyone that watched Chappelle show.
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12-01-2020 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
you and everyone that watched Chappelle show.
I was a big fan of Chappelle show, but I don't actually remember that.
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12-01-2020 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I assume this is sarcsasm,

If so mispaced. I think the golden rule is a good starting place for moriity but I can't make the categorical imperative work.
It was probably a bit sarcastic, yes.

I'm not lost to the tragedy of a killing. At the same time if you're developing nuclear weapons for dictatorial clergy with an active wish-list for states it wants to destroy, and willing to put it in the hand of a near-independent military branch with a decades-long history of weird power politics, corrupt financials and training terrorists groups... well then I'm hard pressed do much beyond shrugging my shoulders.

If it was a state actor, I'd be more interested in whether it was a tactically and politically sound idea, which is unclear. I don't see much of a reason for moral contemplation.

But that's me. I'm not arguing what you should think.
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12-01-2020 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
I was a big fan of Chappelle show, but I don't actually remember that.
for real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DLu...ygK7&index=168

that n* tried to kill my fatha!
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12-01-2020 , 11:04 AM
i think GWs dad was a part of it, but I still believe W was purposely given false intelligence. Maybe they knew that because of his dad he would believe it because he wanted to believe it. But i do think W believed there were WOMD
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12-01-2020 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
i think GWs dad was a part of it, but I still believe W was purposely given false intelligence. Maybe they knew that because of his dad he would believe it because he wanted to believe it. But i do think W believed there were WOMD
cui bono tho
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12-01-2020 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
cui bono tho
I suppose. Even willful ignorance.
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