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10-14-2020 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
LOL at ACB not being able to say that the Climate Crisis is real. Who the fk is this person? No justice on the radical right (nor any justice on the radical left) should be allowed within a country mile from setting foot in the Supreme Court. WTF is wrong with this country?
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10-14-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
LOL at ACB not being able to say that the Climate Crisis is real. Who the fk is this person? No justice on the radical right (nor any justice on the radical left) should be allowed within a country mile from setting foot in the Supreme Court. WTF is wrong with this country?
I wasn't watching. How did this come up? I can't imagine how the question was relevant. But at the same time, I can't imagine being unable to say, "yeah, it's pretty ****ing real."
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10-14-2020 , 06:03 PM
She knows the only opinions that matter are the opinions of the 51 GOP senators that will vote yes. Anything to jeopardize that is bad for her career.
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10-14-2020 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I wasn't watching. How did this come up? I can't imagine how the question was relevant. But at the same time, I can't imagine being unable to say, "yeah, it's pretty ****ing real."
Probably can't imagine being nominated for the supreme Court either. Shrug
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10-14-2020 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I wasn't watching. How did this come up? I can't imagine how the question was relevant. But at the same time, I can't imagine being unable to say, "yeah, it's pretty ****ing real."
Starting at 13:27

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10-14-2020 , 06:14 PM
That really isn’t that bad. If I were up for confirmation by a Republican controlled Senate I’d have probably given similarly evasive answers.
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10-14-2020 , 06:36 PM
In the late 1970's, many scientists were warning us about the coming Ice Age.

A few years later, Global Warming was all the rage.

Now, the Great Imminent Threat is Climate Change.

Maybe in five years, it will be time for The Climate Isn't Changing Enough brigade to be heard with their "models."

Last edited by lagtight; 10-14-2020 at 06:38 PM. Reason: Added the part about "models"
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10-14-2020 , 06:54 PM
ACB is waiting for a CASE OR CONTROVERSEE between THE CLIMATE AND BIG BIZNESS before she weighs in on the laws of thermodynamics with which she is not informed upon enough to opine in the abstract.
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10-14-2020 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
The real solution is Term Limits on Supreme Court justices but that will never happen. Imagine if Hilary won and the republicans held the senate would a judge even be confirmed?
That's because it'd require a constitutional amendment. Thats why we should be looking for solutions that don't require amendments. Packing the courts and limiting jurisdiction are two choices.

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
No, the problem is the Constitution itself.
Yes, so many people wanna spin the constitution as some semi-divinely inspired document. It's not. Some politicians trying to scrabble together a country came up with some some compromises to keep everyone at the table.

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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
That's neither here nor there. We have the constitution we have.

The point is that congress, in large part, defines the power of the court. The whole judicial review matter is something that came about over time. It's not defined. The idea was that the representatives of the voters would make the laws. Not third party people with tenure.
1) the first step is admitting you have a problem. if more people are unafraid to say "you know, the constitution we have may not be the best" aloud it'll be possible to make progress.

2) exactly. the courts took this power to invalidate federal laws upon themselves. The legislature can limit their jurisdiction. As I've always shown, it's not at all incompatible with a functioning democracy.

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Originally Posted by lagtight
In the late 1970's, many scientists were warning us about the coming Ice Age.

A few years later, Global Warming was all the rage.

Now, the Great Imminent Threat is Climate Change.
Climate change=global warming. People use the former nomenclature because while the earth will warm on average, the changes are not uniform. Some places may even become colder.

there was NEVER a scientific consensus about a coming ice age. Ever.
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10-14-2020 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
That's because it'd require a constitutional amendment. Thats why we should be looking for solutions that don't require amendments. Packing the courts and limiting jurisdiction are two choices.


Yes, so many people wanna spin the constitution as some semi-divinely inspired document. It's not. Some politicians trying to scrabble together a country came up with some some compromises to keep everyone at the table.



1) the first step is admitting you have a problem. if more people are unafraid to say "you know, the constitution we have may not be the best" aloud it'll be possible to make progress.

2) exactly. the courts took this power to invalidate federal laws upon themselves. The legislature can limit their jurisdiction. As I've always shown, it's not at all incompatible with a functioning democracy.



Climate change=global warming. People use the former nomenclature because while the earth will warm on average, the changes are not uniform. Some places may even become colder.

there was NEVER a scientific consensus about a coming ice age. Ever.
Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of problems with the constitution.
But it's not easily changed and it's not necessary to change it to keep the court from legislating from the bench.

I feel it's easier and quicker to lean on our representatives. Although even that isn't easy or quick.
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10-14-2020 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
In the late 1970's, many scientists were warning us about the coming Ice Age.

A few years later, Global Warming was all the rage.

Now, the Great Imminent Threat is Climate Change.

Maybe in five years, it will be time for The Climate Isn't Changing Enough brigade to be heard with their "models."
we need you to decipher what you said...
Are you saying that the climate hasnt changes since the 1970 and all the scientific evidences are wrong ?
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10-14-2020 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I wasn't watching. How did this come up? I can't imagine how the question was relevant. But at the same time, I can't imagine being unable to say, "yeah, it's pretty ****ing real."
Not sure how this is relevant ? 1/2 the questions had nothing to do with being a supreme court judge.

Do you hate puppies?
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10-14-2020 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
Liking this scotus nominee! That senator from Hawaii was also quite a funny character!
Yeah, can't wait until she has to walk back her "sexual preference" statement...
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10-14-2020 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ligastar
LOL at ACB not being able to say that the Climate Crisis is real. Who the fk is this person? No justice on the radical right (nor any justice on the radical left) should be allowed within a country mile from setting foot in the Supreme Court. WTF is wrong with this country?
Apparently supreme court nominees aren’t allowed to have an opinion on anything.
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10-15-2020 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by all in twin aa
Apparently supreme court nominees aren’t allowed to have an opinion on anything.
It’s because climate change isn’t an opinion , it’s freakn reality and a fact ....
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10-15-2020 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
we need you to decipher what you said...

Are you saying that the climate hasnt changes since the 1970 and all the scientific evidences are wrong ?
The climate does indeed change over time. The question is to what extent it is because of human activity (if any).
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10-15-2020 , 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
It’s because climate change isn’t an opinion , it’s freakn reality and a fact ....
Yes, of course. With so many scientifically illiterate representatives in our government it turns into “unsettled science” or “what extent humans are causing it”.
One problem is the process and another is we can’t agree on what facts are ffs.
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10-15-2020 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Not sure how this is relevant ? 1/2 the questions had nothing to do with being a supreme court judge.
If a case comes before the Supreme Court dealing with climate change her acceptance of the scientific consensus would indeed matter. Basically if a problem is severe enough the courts give more leeway for the government to do things they would normally not allow. Do a search for "Supreme Court tests" and you'll find what I'm talking about. basically if a judge doesn't believe the climate crisis is real it's less likely she'll find that climate legislation has a "rational basis", or that the government has a "compelling interest" in stopping in.

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Originally Posted by lagtight
The climate does indeed change over time. The question is to what extent it is because of human activity (if any).
It's not a question among people who study it. It's only a question among people who stand to lose a lot of money if it's treated as a serious problem.
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10-15-2020 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
If a case comes before the Supreme Court dealing with climate change her acceptance of the scientific consensus would indeed matter. Basically if a problem is severe enough the courts give more leeway for the government to do things they would normally not allow. Do a search for "Supreme Court tests" and you'll find what I'm talking about. basically if a judge doesn't believe the climate crisis is real it's less likely she'll find that climate legislation has a "rational basis", or that the government has a "compelling interest" in stopping in.







It's not a question among people who study it. It's only a question among people who stand to lose a lot of money if it's treated as a serious problem.
You are correct that the scientific consensus is that climate change is real. And it was real before there were any scientists to investigate the phenomena. And climate change will be real 100 years from now. And it will be real 1000 years from now, etc etc.

The question is, what, if anything, can or should be done about it.
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10-15-2020 , 09:13 AM
Beware the Crisis Industrial Complex.

Big $$$ from government to be grabbed to solve a "crisis."

Edit: Notice how a "crisis" always takes power and freedom away from ordinary folks, and gives more power to the government?
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10-15-2020 , 09:14 AM
How's the War on Terror and the War on Drugs working out?

Edit: And let's not forget the War on Poverty. How's that going after spending billions and billions of dollars to eradicate it?

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10-15-2020 , 10:42 AM
Agh yesterdays great questions

Corey Booker " You condemn white supremacy correct? "

The Senator I think from Hawaii " You have never been convicted of sexual assault"?
and " You have never settled a case for sexual assault "
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10-15-2020 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
How's the War on Terror and the War on Drugs working out?

Edit: And let's not forget the War on Poverty. How's that going after spending billions and billions of dollars to eradicate it?
The biggest program of the War on Poverty was Medicare. Here are poverty rates for seniors:



Notice the big drop in poverty rates for seniors following the passage of government health insurance for seniors. The idea that government programs meant to address poverty are failures because poverty hasn't been eradicated is ridiculous.
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10-15-2020 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by all in twin aa
Yes, of course. With so many scientifically illiterate representatives in our government it turns into “unsettled science” or “what extent humans are causing it”.
One problem is the process and another is we can’t agree on what facts are ffs.
Well it might be true in the US but it ain’t anywhere else in the world .
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10-15-2020 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
You are correct that the scientific consensus is that climate change is real. And it was real before there were any scientists to investigate the phenomena. And climate change will be real 100 years from now. And it will be real 1000 years from now, etc etc.

The question is, what, if anything, can or should be done about it.
And you are pro life right ?
Why am I not surprise I see another paradox ....
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