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01-17-2023 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Lol, if you are trying to accuse the mod of gaslighting at least be brave enough to finish the sentence.
This whole forum has become the Gaslight District.
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01-17-2023 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Of course you don't. They don't care what you guys think either.

The commonality is this 'not me... you' belief as you both follow the exact same paths.


Do you think that the far left cares what the far right thinks about them smearing people with "...ist" or the far right cares what the far left thinks about them smearing people with 'groomer', 'pedophile'.

Of course both sides say "I don't care what the other thinks', as you do. That does not make it wrong to call BOTH sides out even as they want to pretend they are not like the other.

Do you think i am expecting an admission from EITHER?
1) Me not caring about what BFI thinks has nothing to do with their political leanings. It's because I don't know who they are or where they are, and I don't expect that I'll interact with them. I don't even know if your are summarizing their politics correctly.

2) None of this addresses your point that there are no conservative voices here, per my interpretation of your posts. Is that what you are claiming, and if not where I did start to assume your position wrongly?
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01-18-2023 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
A form of what? I'm assuming that letting it trail off is your way of implying gaslighting/lying/posting in bad faith, or else you would have just left it at "You are not summarizing these well." If my assumption is wrong, then perhaps you can clarify.

But if my assumption is correct, then this is a nice succinct little summary of the problem, which is making the immediate conclusion that someone is posting in bad faith. There's zero reason to make that your conclusion here, if that's what you're doing.


FWIW I replied to your earlier response to me. Not that you're required to respond to it if you've already said your piece.
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Lol, if you are trying to accuse the mod of gaslighting at least be brave enough to finish the sentence.
Yes, yes that was not an obvious joke, as i wrote out most of the word to make it obvious but then tailed it off.

In fact i was terrified to say or even have anyone know i was suggesting it as the last thing i WOULD EVER do is say it, if i believed it. I have been cowed for some time into not doing that.

Such honesty and a lack of gaming in replies in this forum.
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01-18-2023 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
1) Me not caring about what BFI thinks has nothing to do with their political leanings. It's because I don't know who they are or where they are, and I don't expect that I'll interact with them. I don't even know if your are summarizing their politics correctly.

2) None of this addresses your point that there are no conservative voices here, per my interpretation of your posts. Is that what you are claiming, and if not where I did start to assume your position wrongly?
1) why do you put so much weight on 'you' because you are unaware of the history and think that should matter to me and my point? If you were making a point in an area, and could reference something from your personal dealings or history that was relevant but that i was unaware of, does that mean you should not make that point?

2) Never said or suggested that. Conservative voices can play along as long as they are compliant and avoid getting into the types of back and forth with the far left voices that will attack them with slurs if they dare to assert their positions. I know if i just made my point once and moved on, and then let the far left just bury it in smears, distortions and misinformation, all would be fine. But I do not, and so it is not.

Nothing is more common than that type of exchange where I am asserting the correct and/o factual position against one of our lefties intent in pushing the incorrect or wrong one, and when they do not relent, i will not either, and yet the forum partisans will point at me as the issue in that exchange. They simply do not SEE the person they are generally more aligned with, 'wrongs' as they are more sympathetic to that side of the argument.
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01-18-2023 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Yes, yes that was not an obvious joke, as i wrote out most of the word to make it obvious but then tailed it off.

In fact i was terrified to say or even have anyone know i was suggesting it as the last thing i WOULD EVER do is say it, if i believed it. I have been cowed for some time into not doing that.

Such honesty and a lack of gaming in replies in this forum.
GASLIGHTING ALERT!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Cuepee
You need to read the exchange as Chezlaw clarified to me he was pushing for a 'no mention of former or banned posters at all, as it is possible you can be misrepresenting them or accusing them of something they cannot defend'.

You are not summarizing these well which is a form of ....
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01-18-2023 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
1) why do you put so much weight on 'you' because you are unaware of the history and think that should matter to me and my point? If you were making a point in an area, and could reference something from your personal dealings or history that was relevant but that i was unaware of, does that mean you should not make that point?
I said I didn't care about BFI and you responded that of course I didn't as the left doesn't care what the right thinks. I explained that this wasn't the reason for me not caring. I suspect most of us here who don't care about BFI don't care for reasons unrelated to politics. We also don't care about RottenTomatoes, for example, but that too is not due to their political leanings.

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Originally Posted by Cuepee
2) Never said or suggested that. Conservative voices can play along as long as they are compliant and avoid getting into the types of back and forth with the far left voices that will attack them with slurs if they dare to assert their positions. I know if i just made my point once and moved on, and then let the far left just bury it in smears, distortions and misinformation, all would be fine. But I do not, and so it is not.
You said we were an echo chamber. If their are conservative voices in this forum, then what type of echo chamber are we?
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01-18-2023 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
I said I didn't care about BFI and you responded that of course I didn't as the left doesn't care what the right thinks. I explained that this wasn't the reason for me not caring. I suspect most of us here who don't care about BFI don't care for reasons unrelated to politics. We also don't care about RottenTomatoes, for example, but that too is not due to their political leanings.



You said we were an echo chamber. If their are conservative voices in this forum, then what type of echo chamber are we?
Hysterical that anyone could think that Victor, Lozen, Luckbox, chillrob, washoe and myself are all part of the "echo chamber."
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01-18-2023 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
I said I didn't care about BFI and you responded that of course I didn't as the left doesn't care what the right thinks. I explained that this wasn't the reason for me not caring. I suspect most of us here who don't care about BFI don't care for reasons unrelated to politics. We also don't care about RottenTomatoes, for example, but that too is not due to their political leanings.



You said we were an echo chamber. If their are conservative voices in this forum, then what type of echo chamber are we?
you need to explain what point you are trying to get at, if any, as i legit cannot discern it?

I do not care if you think there is info that you want to share with the forum that you think is illuminating, that i might not understand why you think so, or why you want to share it. I am not your boss. I don't need you to convince me anythings relevance. I would never dain to think you owed me any explanation for why you choose to post it.

Despite that I have explained over and over why I THINK it is enormously relevant, as i know many posters here do understand the reference.

To you last point, i will deliberately answer your question with a question since it, imo, is the best way to answer that question. Trump's Truth Social, has people who hate Trump who, while a minority post on that forum, to break up and challenge the Trump echo box, that is that forum. Would you agree with that?


If your answer to that is, 'no by virtue of even one contrary voice being signed up there it is not an echo box, then we can only agree to disagree. As I think no echo box, typically are 100% free of contrary voices and you are trying to define in a strict way that would end defining that there are no such thing as echo boxes.
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01-18-2023 , 02:50 PM
If we go by post count, then the Lefties are a significant minority in this Forum.

I literally have no idea what QP is talking about this place being an "echo chamber."
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01-18-2023 , 03:18 PM
I think the reason only Cuepee thinks this forum is an echo chamber is uniquely do to Cuepee. Lots of people across the political spectrum all criticize him and criticize him for the same reasons. It isn't about politics. It is criticisms of the accusations of lying, the misrepresenting points, the weird carlin memes and BFI references, etc. So from Cuepee's perspective it feels like everyone is ganging up on him. But those people are pretty disparate politically. I have nothing in common politically with lagtight, but we both agree you shouldn't flippantly accuse people of lying.
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01-18-2023 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I think the reason only Cuepee thinks this forum is an echo chamber is uniquely do to Cuepee.
The people in the BFI felt similarly.

Funnily enough, i have seen quoted posts on Twitter of people engaging with people in Truth Social and calling it an echo chamber and those who post there taking great offense.


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Lots of people across the political spectrum all criticize him and criticize him for the same reasons.
Check. same reasoning in BFI and same on Truth Social.


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It isn't about politics.
Check 2 (but change to relevant forum or place)

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It is criticisms of the accusations of lying, the misrepresenting points, the weird carlin memes and BFI references, etc. So from Cuepee's perspective it feels like everyone is ganging up on him. But those people are pretty disparate politically. I have nothing in common politically with lagtight, but we both agree you shouldn't flippantly accuse people of lying.
Check, check, check 3 times.

The same type of BFI and Truth Social should never be called an echo box, based on the "I have a black friend' type reasoning.


I've never seen it fly for those who claim '...but i do have a black friend', but i suspect it will fly with many here.... and i am pretty certain I know why.
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01-18-2023 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
I think the reason only Cuepee thinks this forum is an echo chamber is uniquely do to Cuepee. Lots of people across the political spectrum all criticize him and criticize him for the same reasons. It isn't about politics. It is criticisms of the accusations of lying, the misrepresenting points, the weird carlin memes and BFI references, etc. So from Cuepee's perspective it feels like everyone is ganging up on him. But those people are pretty disparate politically. I have nothing in common politically with lagtight, but we both agree you shouldn't flippantly accuse people of lying.
The funny part is that I agree with Cuepee on the issues far more often that I agree with you. And yet somehow you and I don't seem to have a problem having a conversation.
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01-18-2023 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
The people in the BFI felt similarly.

Funnily enough, i have seen quoted posts on Twitter of people engaging with people in Truth Social and calling it an echo chamber and those who post there taking great offense.


Check. same reasoning in BFI and same on Truth Social.


Check 2 (but change to relevant forum or place)

Check, check, check 3 times.

The same type of BFI and Truth Social should never be called an echo box, based on the "I have a black friend' type reasoning.


I've never seen it fly for those who claim '...but i do have a black friend', but i suspect it will fly with many here.... and i am pretty certain I know why.
I have no idea why you are bizarrely talking about the BFI again - this is just weird - and have no way to validate any of the claims you make, but if everyone over here AND everyone over there is giving you the same non-political critiques of your posting, perhaps you should......listen?
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