Of course, my bad.
Now If we look up if you can be born at 5 month. I think we can, right?

20 month is were we are at (about) imo.

This is a really weird way of framing the issue, as if Republicans are good with 20 weeks but that's not enough for Democrats. That's not to say there aren't those who would advocate a bit longer, but the far bigger issue with your solution is that a large number of Republicans aren't good with any weeks, and very few would be good with 20.

I believe his point was that you mean 20 weeks, not months.

Yes of course bobo.
we are talking about some states
even allowing 23 weeks.
the youngest child was born at 21 weeks.

So what trump said isn't so far fetched.

But you can read it for yourself if you want:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abor...tates_by_state

I'm aware of that, thanks. As I said, there are some who would advocate for a bit longer. But again, your framing of 20 being a good compromise even though some Democrats would like it to be a few weeks longer ignores the fact that a large number of Republicans want 0.

Oh FFS, dude, I'm not sure what's up with your Trump apologism lately, but this is nonsense. We all know it was hyperbole, so why not just let it go at that?

20 weeks is to long . Let’s look at Europe and Canada were 12-14 weeks is the rule unless the health of the mother is in jeopardy.

The Dems will never compromise and that is why the GOP should agree to 12-14

And a lot of them already believe it's true

Im not sure what gave you the idea that Canada would have much more restrictive laws than the US on abortion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada

It's 22 weeks and 6 days in BC, Ontario, and Quebec, 20 weeks in Alberta. It does fall to 12-16 weeks in some of the smaller provinces and territories.

If you get raped or have intercourse with a questionable fella, you can simply take a plan B pill to avoid a late-term abortion. Abortion is wrong. Its legality is past my pay grade (and all of yours).

If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. You don't get to decide for others, though.

Are the ~10% of women for whom this doesn't work, as well as those who don't have access to it, out of luck or are you OK with an abortion for them?

FYP.

No, my pay grade does indeed allow me to read the law.

This.

Well, you're a Canadian, so it really doesn't matter to you at all. You can read all the laws you want, but you can't vote here.

Fixing posts is against the forum rules.

Abortion is wrong. Nobody ever is excited to have one (unless they have something severely wrong with them).

Well I didn't get that memo.

That should make you realize that women who get abortions past 20 weeks are doing so not for fun but are making the very difficult decision based on their personal medical circumstances. Why would we outlaw that?

Nobody is trying to force you to have an abortion. Just don't get one. Problem solved.

Actually it does matter to me, as I care about our American neighbours, all the more so because I have family and friends who live there. And American politics sometimes bleed over into ours, although thankfully I think we're far enough along on abortion rights that we're unlikely to be impacted in a significant way. I wish the same could be said for a few other issues.

I'll take irrelevant and obvious points for 100, Alex. Oops, I mean Ken.

LOL, WTF are you talking about?

Repeating it doesn't make it true; it remains your opinion. One that many agree with, and many disagree with.

Agreed. But that doesn't make them wrong.

I do remember it being said by moderation that we should no longer do 'FYP' posts because it can give the impression that someone said something he didn't. I believe it was Browser who said it would not be allowed, and I haven't heard that anything changed. Pretty surprised you two don't remember that.

You think I pay attention to what the rules are? Anyway, I think that intentionally making it misleading what someone said is problematic, but the whole FYP thing can be used to clearly communicate some things.

Abortion is wrong. You can live in denial if that makes you sleep a little better. Murdering unborn humans is what abortion is. Murder is wrong. You can call it my opinion but I'd just say your moral compass is so out of whack I'm surprised you can find your computer every day to get into the forums.

See chillrob's post re: fixing posts. I didn't just pull that out of my bum.

the disagreement isn't about if "murder" is wrong, it's if a clump of cells in a parasitic relationship is considered a "human". good try on trying to bypass the crux of the issue though. hope this helps.

nice try attempting to downplay whats actually happening. The sky is pink in your world

My recollection is that changing someone's post in a quote and then commenting on it as if it was original was discouraged, clearly labeling a post as changed was fine.

Your opinion is wrong. It’s not ok for men to tell women what to do with their bodies. There’s no excuse here.

Right, as I did, because we don't all agree that aborting a 5, 10, or 15 week old pregnancy is murder. You know this, so trying to score some kind of point with "murder is wrong" as if that's what we're disagreeing about is pretty disingenuous.

I'm a little surprised that the guy that is so quick to tone police stoops to the personal attack so quickly. But it's lucky for me that I only need a regular compass to find my computer!

This.

Quoting someone's post, changing a part of the quote and putting it in bold so it's obvious to all what was changed, and then posting "FYP" is something that's been common on these forums for as long as I've been here, which is a long ****ing time. I can't even imagine why anyone would object to that as opposed to me saying "I think you mean 'Abortion is wrong in your opinion.' "

On the other hand, taking someone's quote, changing it, and then pretending that was what the person said, is being intentionally misleading. That of course is typically not allowed.

Yes, the 'FYP' things have been around here forever. But that is exactly what someone complained about to Browser, and he said it would no longer be allowed.
In the example someone complained about I certainly thought it was very clear that it wasn't what the original poster had actually said, but he still told us to stop doing it.

If it's no longer going to be against the rules, I'm certainly ok with that, just wanted to clarify what was going on here.

I responded to this in the mod thread. Please move all further discussion of this there: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4566