why only the woman gets to decide if she kills the baby?
its the guys baby just as much. and if she decides to keep it you need to pay too. makes sense? hell no. I want equal rights in deciding for an abortion or not. its mine to 50%

also have I witnessed idiots having abortions after abortions because they cant get their **** together. be responsible with life thats all Im asking for. and no its not like an egg that you can eat its a human life form. Im pro abortions still, but not for idiots. they should get a fine or something.

As someone who has never studied law, I cant really intelligently comment on how the abortion debate fits into our somewhat arbitrary legal codes. I suspect 99% of people fit in this category, whether they realize it or not.

I actually appreciate there is a reason lawyers go to years of difficult schooling specifically for this purpose, spend lifetimes working on narrow issues like this, and still there often isn't any clear consensus.

That being said, I dont think I can clarify any further than I already have. When I read what I wrote it is crystal clear in my mind. If it isn't to you, then consider it my fault for being unable to communicate clearly.

lets see... if the mother decides to kill the baby at 10 days old she goes tp prison for life.

but she can kill the baby at 4 month no problem?

"Abortion Addict Confesses 15 Procedures in 16 Years"

"Half of all abortions are repeats, among older women who use contraception." https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Reprod...ory?id=8594347


this is too much...

I can have an abortion at 20 weeks?? thats 5 month old!!
that should be illegal imo.

I agree.

If anyone wants to, I will continue this derail in the the abortion thread. (Where it won't be a derail.)

how many of you pro large govt telling private citizens what to do with their bodies voted for trump?

It's a standard fallacy to be sure there is a moment. Normally there can't be any such moment but god could bypass that (as can the law)

so how about a general time frame.

and when do they become a separate person?

Whenever we decide. They used to go with about 2 years old but I'm more inclined to viability at the latest. Maybe much earlier when the child is very much wanted.

Complex Question Fallacy Alert!. Please try again, sans the fallacy. Thanks!

I assume you meant "2 MONTHS old".

Complex answer fallacy. Thinking the government should be able to tell private citizens what to do with their private bodies and then thinking it’s ok to send them to jail for doing things to their private bodies is large, powerful government.

So not all human can reach heaven by default ….since some without a soul can exist ?

So maybe that is why the bible do not speak about abortion since human life without a soul isn’t worth talking about or saving for ?
It’s the soul that goes to heaven right , not the body ?

So why bother that much about life at conception (and being against abortion at a cell level) if they’re no soul involve ?

U should think deeply about it more imo .

Fwiw I think there is a vast dissonance between Republican and libertarian and abortion is clearly one of the big problem between them .
Republican as a whole usually want total freedom of individual from government (libertarianism) but trump love to have total power and conservative like
Him for it ….when trump uses it to push conservative values .

And that whole show was pushed by trump (SC nominees , pushing crazy zealots for senators or congress ,etc) .

No I meant 2 years

Maybe.

Maybe.

Man is body, soul and spirit. I believe only the spirit goes to heaven. Animals have a soul, and it is unclear whether or not they can go to heaven.

Because I believe that only the spirit goes to heaven.


I agree. As should you.

woman and man have sex, lets say consent is 50/50

woman gets pregnant, her risk of her life ending because of the pregnancy is >1, while the man has no risk of his life ending because of her pregnancy physically affecting his body.

Since the womans life is at risk and the mans is not, there is no longer an equal way to share, so you no longer have 50% control or consent because the risks have changed.

is it illegal to be an idiot?

haha! so you don't want a say in it?

what if your gf gets pregnant? and then she decides that she will abort because of her carreer, but you want this child and think she is murdering your son, a part of you? that's how people think. not so easy now Einstein, is it?

she decited to **** and got pregnant. and then she doesnt care about your feelings. while it's not illegal to be an idiot, if these actions are legal is under debate now.

abortion is legal until the 24th week. that means 25 weeks imo. that's 6 month. that's too much imo. child is almost fully developed imo. can't have an abortion that late imo. that's highly unethical.

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My say is I decided to have sex with her. After that she is a private citizen with rights.

an unborn fetus is not a part of me at all. Sperm was a part of me and no longer exists.

The fetus hasn't been separated and made to be independent so there's no murder. Its a pretty easy answer, not sure why you think its difficult.

I understand that it is under debate whether or not men should have control over women via the government. Some people support large liberal powerful governments that tells private citizens what to do with their bodies, some of us prefer rights and a small conservatives government that doesn't have the right to jail people over what they do with their bodies.

with regards to ethics, why do you think its ok for you to tell someone else what to do with their body when your choice leads to their death in a greater than zero amount of cases?

If people believe life begins at sperm and egg than would not Invetro Fertilization be considered murder by those pro lifers as you do not use them all and many times dispose of the remaining embryos?

Also than should not child support begin as soon as the woman is pregnant?

Personally I fall in the 14-16 week group as do a majority of Americans

so ok this is what drives me nuts. guys that say none of my business.
some guys run to spearm bank and have about 500 offsprings but do not care. that's weird imo.

here is my idea. it's a compromise:

I think abortion of a 6 month year old baby is wrong. they call it fetus to distance themself to the fact they call it baby even at 1 month old.

why not force the women to carry out when she gets past 3 month? and then take the child away from her of course. then the baby gets saved and the women gets punished and won't do it again. win win. I think it's a great idea btw. the more I think about it, the more I like it.


If I was in charge women would be more careful and more ethical because I would make idiocy regarding human life illegal.

David is right btw. I think. abortion is stupid. I don't know of one single person who had an abortion personally. I know of miscarriages and it's terrible for people.