Same question to you..see previous post

No, I actually got a letter saying my disability claim was denied due to missing a doctors appointment. Never got the letter informing me of the doctor appointment I only was in for 8 years. I don't quality for a pension.

I mean, you can make it personal, but my DD214 could put almost anyone here to shame concerning my job and experience on ME affairs....which seems to be a big deal to the ones who cry about needing to be an expert. You know, the ones who post LOL's?

After some thought I think the most likely consequence of this is... basically nothing.

I think Iran will bluster and thump it’s chest. I think the next time Iran does something provocative the usual suspects will blame this incident. I’d say Iran leadership will exercise more control over its proxies. But other than that things will probably go on as usual.

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The 603 American soldiers who died at this guy's hand does not seem to warrant a response from the lefties here, so, no.

mike pence out here saying soleimani helped with 9/11. with 10 of the 12 hijackers...

because all of the brown people must have been in on it..

Dead American soldiers is outrageous, but starting a war to get more killed is not an appropriate response.

You miss the point...this guy was targeted only after he targeted an embassy. That is a direct escalation that must be responded to, with force.

If you thought it's true this guy would have been killed way earlier than 603 of your boys.
DUCY?

If it becomes too inconvenient you will just be accused of making it up.

but this is the sort of nonsense that is also used. a) responses can be behind the scenes, diplomatic, peacefull strategic ... and still be responses and b) sometimes nothing is the best response - one of the most dangerous ideas in the world is that 'doing nothing is not an option'


One thing the usa can guarantee is that when push comes to shove 'we' will back them. The decent chap who probably wouldn't lost badly and part of that was because he probably wouldn't.

Really bad mistake if they believe that. One obvious play if/as this escalates is to deepen ties with a nuclear power like russia.

According to what I heard on MSNBC, Soleimani shut down all attacks on the U.S. from 2011 to 2018. It was only the year after Trump cancelled the Nuclear deal that Soleimani resumed attacks on the U.S.

Someone also proposed that Soleimani could have been taken out in a covert operation. It would have sent the same message to Iran with less provocation toward war. But Trump had to publicly take credit for his personal political perk.

As I see it, Trump is working his way into a box with his statement, "We did this to stop a war not to start one." He is committing to a major escalation if Iran retaliates in an obvious way. I don't see Iran respecting any "Fire and Fury" sensational threat. Trump will learn his plan to have such a scary military that he never has to use it doesn't work so well in real life. Iran will only respect action and Trump's threats are forcing him toward a level of action neither he nor any of us wants to see. If he's such a self proclaimed great negotiator, now's the time to prove it.


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Your assertions that we have to retaliate with force while Iran cannot is absurd on its face.

Your response is not coherent to anything I've posted.

Even worse, trump will easily come to love being a war leader - maps, generals, uniforms and the big parade will fit him well. He always wanted to be adored. This type of scenario was my biggest fear from day 1.

Need a lot of luck now. There's still hope as trump may not have realised he was destined for greatness yet.

Don't have time to get a collection...

Here is quick one:

What is the 603 figure about? I'm guessing these were casualties inflicted by Iraqi Shia militias, which are often backed by Iran.

Dude, we invaded their country and burned it down. One million lives, over WMD lies. And we are supposed to care more about the resistance than our aggression? AGGRESSION, as in, we invaded a country that was not a threat.

The warranted response to the 603 is to apologize for their service. We are sorry, but we did not do due diligence on our reckless government, and we allowed our youth to be sucked into the maelstrom by armed carneys.

itshot has been studiously avoiding one of the major challenges to him: US/Iranian tensions improved after the nuclear accord. They have been worsening since Trump militarists broke an international treaty.

Oh come on you are not even trying. An apparent 2013 incident says nothing about the new situation after the 2015 nuclear accord.

No, I disagree with that assessment. Obama/State Department just did not care, nor respond to Iran's many transgressions.

What? He said 2011.

It's bullshit political spin.

Here is another one:

So a CDN take on it all

Looks like the USA World Police Force is back at it.

Obama signed a deal Trump tore it up Why would North Koreas or any leader trust Trump on a new deal

Trump says he has Intel they were going to attack US Troops or Citizens. Yeah ok another WMD

You took out a senior member of a foreign government. There will be payback in American lives.

Fox will have their paid experts to say It was good
MSNBC and CNN will have theirs to say its bad

Many world leaders will be careful what they say as they signed a deal the USA reneged on

Democrat candidates will say what serves them the best.

Lets just get out the Fxxk out of the Middle East and let them determine their fate. WE don't need their Oil anymore

Love the Meme that Don Junior and Eric visited the doctor today and diagnosed with Bone spurs

But you cannot produce examples from the proper time period -- after the 2015 accord and before Trump broke the treaty.

You did provide an example of computer hacking that may well be Iranian. You know we do that too, right? It is not an example of rogue state terrorism -- the thing you claim justifies the Iraq airport attack and risking a regional war. It's a pedestrian example of geopolitical rivalry, not terrorism.

You are reduced to one phrase retorts that explain nothing and are there only for the appearance of responding. 2011? I can put out random numbers, too. 1984.

Since you are former military with tours in the ME, do you have any familiarity with the GCC 4th generation warfare units and the joint Israel-Saudi-US program to build them?

Because these kind of strikes sound like their handiwork, and if so, is Trump is trying to take the heat for that to keep attention away from that program?

truly amazing coming from the side that went full "war on terror", "axis of evil", we gotta "preemptive attack".

ofc, the contradiction is right in this situation. either this Iranian guy was a threat and he we needed to take him out to "protect Americans" or there is no threat to us.

I'm at work, and can't commit the normal time. Even if I spent the time, any individual incident would be anecdotal. If I were trying to convince you, I'd have to do an entire threat review/assessment using open source information, and that would take days, and I'm pretty sure you would find still find objections. Which is cool. My comments are entirely based on my experience, and study on Iran tactical/strategic/operational behavior. Take it, or leave it. I don't care. The simple fact is, your opinion is more ill informed than mine.

Even if I still had access to that type of information, I certainly wouldn't be talking about it and I wouldn't be having this discussion that I'm having now.

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