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So, Iraq... (Update: US kills Iranian military leader Soleimani) So, Iraq... (Update: US kills Iranian military leader Soleimani)

01-02-2020 , 10:25 PM
I think hes slowly getting it...
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01-02-2020 , 10:40 PM
Maybe I'm just blinded by USA#1ism, but who the hell in their right mind would pick a fight with us in any sort of traditional conflict?

Just knock whatever **** off that drew US attention in the first place and move on with your life. Especially with a madman like Trump at the helm. He's gonna go full Lord Farquad on you.
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01-02-2020 , 10:59 PM
It's the Bin Laden syndrome.
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01-02-2020 , 11:08 PM
Not to mention several Americans and other nationals work at that airfield
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01-02-2020 , 11:19 PM
We didn't bomb the airport. That dbag was in a SUV at or close to the airport.
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01-02-2020 , 11:23 PM
Give you a little of my perspective on Iran.


Both in Afghanistan and the ME deployments I was in operational and strategic units, albeit the unit I was with in Iraq was technically a tactical unit, but for operational/strategic purposes. One of the critical strategic objectives was to identify and assess Iranian subversive threats.

It is well known Iran facilitated operations in Kandahar, Afghanistan, frequently. Same in north east, and eastern Iraq. In Iraq, they were not as effective in the NE, due to the kurds.

To be honest, I never really understood Iranian objectives for doing this stuff, and we (as in, coalition forces) mostly ignored it, we just wanted to know if we get intelligence indicating critical threats, which the scale of the subversive acts never even reached the type of stuff going on now, and almost assuredly the Iranian activities had something to do with gaining attention. That changed this week.


They poked the bear, for the umpteenth time, and the bear slapped the **** out of them. The issue now is, Iranian folks have infiltrated the Iraqi "government", and no one really knows how crazy Iran is. We ****ed up going there, and we ****ed up leaving.

The Soleimani killing is a pretty big message to Iran, and it's saying they need to chill the **** out.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 01-02-2020 at 11:30 PM.
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01-02-2020 , 11:26 PM
Soleimani as a bad dude is pretty irrelevant.
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01-02-2020 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Give you a little of my perspective on Iran.


Both in Afghanistan and the ME deployments I was in operational and strategic units, albeit the unit I was with in Iraq was technically a tactical unit, but for operational/strategic purposes. One of the critical strategic objectives was to identify and assess Iranian subversive threats.

It is well known Iran facilitated operations in Kandahar, Afghanistan, frequently. Same in north east, and eastern Iraq. In Iraq, they were not as effective in the NE, due to the kurds.

To be honest, I never really understood Iranian objectives for doing this stuff, and we (as in, coalition forces) mostly ignored it, we just wanted to know if we get intelligence indicating critical threats, which the scale of the subversive acts never even reached the type of stuff going on now, and almost assuredly the Iranian activities had something to do with gaining attention. That changed this week.


They poked the bear, for the umpteenth time, and the bear slapped the **** out of them. The issue now is, Iranian folks have infiltrated the Iraqi "government", and no one really knows how crazy Iran is. We ****ed up going there, and we ****ed up leaving.
Agree. About time we drew a line in the sand.
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01-02-2020 , 11:29 PM
And to all of those who wring their hands and say their going to retaliate etc etc,
well, they probably will and so will we. They'll get the message or die trying.
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01-02-2020 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by redbuck
And to all of those who wring their hands and say their going to retaliate etc etc,
well, they probably will and so will we. They'll get the message or die trying.
Meatball monkey talk
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01-02-2020 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by D-Beat
Meatball monkey talk
so what does that even mean??
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01-02-2020 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Agree. About time we drew a line in the sand.
At least we know you think that a few hundred thousand dead civilians won't count as long as it's in service of this.
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01-02-2020 , 11:57 PM
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01-02-2020 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
At least we know you think that a few hundred thousand dead civilians won't count as long as it's in service of this.
Hey they shouldn't have voted them in back in 79!
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01-03-2020 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
At least we know you think that a few hundred thousand dead civilians won't count as long as it's in service of this.
I'm sympathetic to this, and I don't really buy into the chest thumping, because this is dangerous for a helluva lot of people, but....can't keep getting poked. It's a no win situation. I'm certain Clinton would of responded in a similar way, if she were elected (or maybe not, benghazi!!!!! ).
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01-03-2020 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm sympathetic to this, and I don't really buy into the chest thumping, because this is dangerous for a helluva lot of people, but....can't keep getting poked. It's a no win situation. I'm certain Clinton would of responded in a similar way, if she were elected (or maybe not, benghazi!!!!! ).
If Clinton was President he would have committed suicide instead of getting killed by a drone.
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01-03-2020 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm sympathetic to this, and I don't really buy into the chest thumping, because this is dangerous for a helluva lot of people, but....can't keep getting poked. It's a no win situation. I'm certain Clinton would of responded in a similar way, if she were elected (or maybe not, benghazi!!!!! So, Iraq... (Update: US kills Iranian military leader Soleimani)).
What was Clinton's wrongdoing w.r.t. Benghazi?
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01-03-2020 , 12:51 AM
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What was Clinton's wrongdoing w.r.t. Benghazi?
It was a joke. JFC.
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01-03-2020 , 12:56 AM
Hilarious
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01-03-2020 , 01:03 AM
Lol, he still gets triggered by any criticism of Hillary.
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01-03-2020 , 01:30 AM
So, the pentagon felt this guy was behind trouble at embassy and hit him in Iraq before he caused more trouble? But, he is popular in Iran and blowback is expected?
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01-03-2020 , 01:34 AM
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So, the pentagon felt this guy was behind trouble at embassy and hit him in Iraq before he caused more trouble? But, he is popular in Iran and blowback is expected?
Pretty much. Its well known he's been behind all sorts of stuff over the years. The issue is not his popularity inside Iran, its more like he's the equivalent of the head of the CIA or something. Iran is well known for retaliating so that's a given. Its a question of exactly what happens next which obviously no one knows.
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01-03-2020 , 01:36 AM
iran didn't "directly" attack the US embassy.,

not sure what solei was doing though, he didnt have a reason to be at teh place he was right?

edit* multipel reports say he was in baghdad meeting
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with leader of the militia supposedly responsible for recent embassy bombing

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01-03-2020 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
So, the pentagon felt this guy was behind trouble at embassy and hit him in Iraq before he caused more trouble? But, he is popular in Iran and blowback is expected?
Soleimani is a HVT and was likely tracked by multiple three letter orgs, and has likely been tracked for quite some time. To hit him would show the US knew his exact whereabouts. That means divulging a signal asset, or a human source. It's likely the US could of killed this guy at any time, but if you kill the guy, you essentially acknowledge to Iran that you had significant and actionable intelligence on one of their critical military leaders, during a period of increased tension, and you lose any future intelligence you might gain from tracking him. You only kill a guy like that, and divulge you were tracking him that closely unless there is a purpose greater than payback. This was a targeted assassination that was sending a message directly to Tehran...we know where your key people are, escalate if you want.
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01-03-2020 , 04:15 AM
I’m sure all the constitutional scholars on the repub side are irate that trump is unilaterally taking war actions without going through Congress as he is legally required to do...

I’m sure they’ll jump in soon and aren’t completely full of **** all the time..
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