You care. A lot. Otherwise you wouldnt respond with long diatribes about how little you care.

Heh, whatever. I will just toss you on ignore like many posters have done before. Guess you will need to find someone else to fool yourself into thinking they care. Nobody cares about your posts (well, washoe did give you props once, so there is that). Mods will be happy as they are the only ones who bother to read the once in a while back and forths between us other than us, and as always they can delete all or some of this interaction as they see fit. Bye.

All the best.

Even though Victor and I certainly do not share the same political philosophy, I certainly agree with him that both parties are beyond awful. It's just that I find the GOP slightly less awfuller.

So, in that sense I find some of his posts to have value. You are correct, though, that he at least used to be a serial liar in this Forum.

I may have been wrong a few times but no one could lie as much as Monteroy. His biggest lie ofc, which he has already exposed thoroughly, is that he doesn't care about my posts.

But beyond that it's hard to find a post of his that doesn't contain completely made up ideas about whichever poster he is desperately trying to put down.

I esp like when he calls me a Putin lover or right wing derp. There's a reason he doesn't engage in topical content and goes straight to ad hominem lies. He's not entirely lacking in self awareness and knows how out of depth he is if he tried discuss actual political and societal motivations.

I won't really disagree with you here. He's primarily here for giggles and grins. Which is fine, since to best of my knowledge he has never claimed otherwise.

Posters like Monteroy have value in a forum like this because they expose and appropriately mock the self-important, self-righteous know-it-alls which are aplenty in forums like this.

You should check out the chat a year or so ago when he said I was a huge Trump supporter and all the proof (when asked to provide a link) was conveniently on the old deleted forums. I lost track of how many insults and lies I have received from him (most were boring, but a few were chuckleworthy), but to date he has provided as much evidence of any of his claims when asked as riggies in the riggie thread, which is why he gets treated like a riggie, just replace Pokerstars with libs. You say he was recognized as the forum's most habitual liar. That is the type of behavior that never changes which is why eventually a poster like that gets ignored by nearly everyone no matter how much cloudscreaming they do. They basically talk to themselves.

self important and self righteous is the perfect description of Monteroy.

no matter what I do, you cant ignore me. rent freeeeee reeee.

I watched the HBO Doc on her and they said she was just paying to have most tests run through regular lab. I'm kinda skeptical of that documentary though. They were talking about how some other tests she designed were supposed to be 98% accurate but half the time they were giving wrong results so were worthless. But for something like cancer the tests could be working exactly right.

Haven't seen the HBO doc but the Bad Blood book said basically the same thing.

Part of the problem was she had this weird insistence that they use a tiny amount of blood which made it almost impossible to get it working right. Combined with a culture of lying and secrecy and then firing anyone who spoke up it was never going to end well. The incredible thing was how big it got before it blew up.

From the documentary, I think the initial inspiration for the small amounts of blood was Holmes' own fear of needles. But apparently it would be super useful if tests could be done with only a fraction of the blood they need now and that was maybe the one kernel of truth in the whole saga.

The book was a wild read and I recommend it.

Not only were they trying to use such small samples of blood in tests that all the medical experts said would be impossible to do, but it had to be diluted quite a bit to have any hope of working with their machine. This of course only made the problem that much worse.

I can appreciate the desire to make the impossible possible, but they were providing real people with "real" results in an effort to move things along. They knew full well that roughly 8% of the time, the tests worked every time.

The ultimate dream was to have a Theranos machine in everyone's home which would allow them to monitor their bloodwork with a finger prick

she didnt even get in trouble for that bs. she helped **** over tons of patients. she got in trouble bc she lied to her investors about it.

Yeah I vaguely remember something about that. But the Theranos machine was either running over needle drawn blood to regular labs or putting patients at risk with highly unreliable tests that Holmes knew didn’t work.

I thought they had the traditional lab equipment locked away in a hidden basement. I don't think they were so ballsy as to literally send samples out for third party processing. They kept it all in-house for maximum smoke and mirrors.

I distinctly remember part of the book where he mentions that they had to keep the feds out of certain rooms where all of the proper equipment was because they lacked the permits or something.

They very well could have. I was only saying that they had to use non Theranos made stuff to process their Walgreens clients.

Of course. No is defending what she actually did. I'm just noting that the long term pitch for Theranos involved Theranos machines in every home, just as the long term pitch for Uber has always involved replacing those ungrateful human drivers with driverless cars.

I seem to remember that this is exactly what they did.

People who fall for Theranos are same people who fall for Musk.