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09-21-2022 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I struggle to see the path Rococo sees for the Supreme Court to address the wrongs of a Trump Constitutional crisis.

It is entirely possible for the SC to say or think what the Jan6 rioters did was wrong and terrible and should not happen and yet recognize it did and then look to the Constitution for a remedy.

It is entire possible for the SC to say while we think that Certification process SHOULD HAVE been completed by the drop time, it was not and the Constitution only outline one remedy for that. That remedy makes no mention that it is only supposed to be used in certain instances but not others, and in areas of fraud or even SC offense to actions taken, that remedy is to be put aside and the SC, in its sole discretion is to put aside that Constitutional delineated remedy and instead just pick another process they deem that would arrive at the right outcome. And then for the SC to do so in defiance of the Constitutions with no authority behind it.

I think instead the SC would say, 'what was done was terrible and wrong BUT we have a Constitutional process, that was deliberately set out by the Founders to address this, and we will throw this to a Contingent Election giving the Congress people in the House the ability to do their job and rectify this as the separation of power demands'. I even think the SC Justice might throw out a facile comment like 'just because the GOP has an edge in the House, we cannot assume they will not consider what took place and vote based on what is correct and not just partisan'.
And they can cause all this to happen just by stopping any vote counts where their preferred candidate is currently ahead but may eventually lose, just like they did in Florida.
I don't know where the SC got the supposed authority to stop state vote counts, but it obviously was successful in doing it in Florida in 2000, and they could do it again at any time. They could just tell any Republican in any state who is involved with the counting of votes to call them at any time when the Republican is slightly ahead, and then immediately stop the vote count, then "think about it" until the day certification is required when there is now "not enough time" to continue the count. This is the kind of thing I would expect from Alito, Thomas, and the 3 justices appointed by Trump. We may never have another fair election count in this country.
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09-21-2022 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I think you may have misunderstood what I said because of all of the echos in this echo chamber. The next time you have a few hours to waste google or YouTube dems saying trump is an illegitimate president. Biden, Hillary, Kamala, pelosi and the lost goes on of who jumped into the action of trying to convince people trump was illegitimate.

Trump did exactly what a huge % of dems did to him. I would argue their actions were worse since when 20+ politicians say the same thing even normal people believe them, but when one guy makes such a claim only the crazies believe him.
I'm sure those guys did say a few things to that effect. Those kinds of things were said even more strongly by Republicans en masse when Obama was elected, with things like the "birther" movement, of which Trump was one of the leaders. People say lots of things. Only Trump made speech after speech about how an election was rigged (even before it happened), then refused to concede the election and actively tried to get its results overturned in many states.
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09-21-2022 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I think you may have misunderstood what I said because of all of the echos in this echo chamber. The next time you have a few hours to waste google or YouTube dems saying trump is an illegitimate president. Biden, Hillary, Kamala, pelosi and the lost goes on of who jumped into the action of trying to convince people trump was illegitimate.

Trump did exactly what a huge % of dems did to him. I would argue their actions were worse since when 20+ politicians say the same thing even normal people believe them, but when one guy makes such a claim only the crazies believe him.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...t-in-november/

"This election cycle, FiveThirtyEight is tracking the views of every Republican candidate for Senate, House, governor, attorney general and secretary of state on the legitimacy of the 2020 election. And now that we’re halfway through the primary season, we can say definitively that at least 120 election deniers have won their party’s nomination and will be on the ballot in the fall. "

"When you add in the 14 percent (36 out of 263) of Republican House nominees who have questioned the election’s legitimacy, a total of 54 percent of Republican House nominees have publicly at least entertained the notion that the election was stolen. The only comparable office is governor; just 20 percent (four out of 20) of Republican gubernatorial nominees have fully embraced Trump’s false election-fraud claims. An additional 35 percent (seven out of 20) have flirted with them, though."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...big-lie-trump/

"Nevertheless, the vast majority of Republican voters say they agree with Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that the election was stolen. In our most recent University of Massachusetts at Amherst poll, fielded online Dec. 14-20 by YouGov among a nationally representative sample of the U.S. voting-age population, only 21 percent of Republicans say Joe Biden’s victory was legitimate. This is nearly identical to what we found in our April poll, in which just 19 percent of Republicans said Biden was legitimately elected. Other universities, media outlets and polling firms have found nearly identical results."

Check out all these insane morons. Honestly how are you able to post things like this every day?

Last edited by Doorbread; 09-21-2022 at 05:25 PM.
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09-21-2022 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I'm sure those guys did say a few things to that effect. Those kinds of things were said even more strongly by Republicans en masse when Obama was elected, with things like the "birther" movement, of which Trump was one of the leaders. People say lots of things. Only Trump made speech after speech about how an election was rigged (even before it happened), then refused to concede the election and actively tried to get its results overturned in many states.
I don’t think you can compare what the dems did to trump to what trump did to Biden or what trump did to Obama. Having a huge group of politicians openly questioning the integrity of an election is so just so much worse than one knucklehead doing it.
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09-21-2022 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Doorbread
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...t-in-november/

"This election cycle, FiveThirtyEight is tracking the views of every Republican candidate for Senate, House, governor, attorney general and secretary of state on the legitimacy of the 2020 election. And now that we’re halfway through the primary season, we can say definitively that at least 120 election deniers have won their party’s nomination and will be on the ballot in the fall. "

"When you add in the 14 percent (36 out of 263) of Republican House nominees who have questioned the election’s legitimacy, a total of 54 percent of Republican House nominees have publicly at least entertained the notion that the election was stolen. The only comparable office is governor; just 20 percent (four out of 20) of Republican gubernatorial nominees have fully embraced Trump’s false election-fraud claims. An additional 35 percent (seven out of 20) have flirted with them, though."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...big-lie-trump/

"Nevertheless, the vast majority of Republican voters say they agree with Trump’s unsubstantiated claims that the election was stolen. In our most recent University of Massachusetts at Amherst poll, fielded online Dec. 14-20 by YouGov among a nationally representative sample of the U.S. voting-age population, only 21 percent of Republicans say Joe Biden’s victory was legitimate. This is nearly identical to what we found in our April poll, in which just 19 percent of Republicans said Biden was legitimately elected. Other universities, media outlets and polling firms have found nearly identical results."

Check out all these insane morons. Honestly how are you able to post things like this every day?
Why didn’t you share the links that showed how many dems have “flirted” with questioning the integrity of an election? I assume the dems at least double up the repubs on this matter if anyone is keeping track.
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09-21-2022 , 06:41 PM
If you believe the Russians hacked the 2016 election you should also believe the Chinese hacked us in 2020 , and vice versa. To believe one and not the other is lol
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09-21-2022 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I would argue their actions were worse since when 20+ politicians say the same thing even normal people believe them, but when one guy makes such a claim only the crazies believe him.
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Why didn’t you share the links that showed how many dems have “flirted” with questioning the integrity of an election? I assume the dems at least double up the repubs on this matter if anyone is keeping track.
Because I am responding to this outright lie you lying liar
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09-21-2022 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I don’t think you can compare what the dems did to trump to what trump did to Biden or what trump did to Obama. Having a huge group of politicians openly questioning the integrity of an election is so just so much worse than one knucklehead doing it.
One knucklehead?? Do you know how many Republican election deniers are in congress right now, and how many will be on the ballot in just a few months? It's a lot more than the number of Democratic politicians who called Trump "illegitimate" (but didn't attempt anything to prevent him from taking office).

Also, all may note that bahbahmickey believes 81% of republican voters are, in his words, "crazies".
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09-21-2022 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Why didn’t you share the links that showed how many dems have “flirted” with questioning the integrity of an election? I assume the dems at least double up the repubs on this matter if anyone is keeping track.
There actually WAS an election stolen from the Democrats, by the SCOTUS and the Governor brother of the Republican candidate, in 2000, and still there was no significant fight by any democrats to overturn the results.
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09-21-2022 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
I assume the dems at least double up the repubs on this matter if anyone is keeping track.
Sees contrary information to his beliefs, says this. Haha. You are a "crazy"

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09-21-2022 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
If you believe the Russians hacked the 2016 election you should also believe the Chinese hacked us in 2020 , and vice versa. To believe one and not the other is lol
it's pure stupidity to think that any non ally nation would want biden over trump.

believing trump is tough on russia/china is a pretty big signal that you are firmly stuck in the republican misinfo bubble.

i mean biden just said this past week that the US would defend Taiwan from Chinese aggression..
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09-21-2022 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Why didn’t you share the links that showed how many dems have “flirted” with questioning the integrity of an election? I assume the dems at least double up the repubs on this matter if anyone is keeping track.

0 Democratic Senators were willing to sign off on anything that questioned the 2016 elections. 14 Republican Senators were willing to do so in 2020, some even after the insurrection.
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09-21-2022 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
This is a good summary of Luttig's views. I don't think he was particularly worried about the outcome by the time we got to January 6. By then, the Court had declined to take up the independent state legislature doctrine. But as you can see, he he definitely sees a lot of risk going forward.

I misspoke when I said he was on the D.C. Circuit for years. He was on the 4th Circuit.
Great read. Dove tails with what I have been writing about in the Supreme Court thread.

How the Supreme Court has chosen a series of cases to hear all around strengthening State rights and that of State legislatures, and the dangers of the litigation they have chosen to hear on the "Independant State Legislature" theory which if the SC makes law, all 50 State Court Supreme Justices already wrote in to the Federal Supreme Court saying how very dangerous that would be to American democracy.

If the Federal Supreme court rules in favour of this obscure theory that take all power of check and balance and instead gives it all to the State Legislatures in a way that even a State Supreme Court cannot check them, I cannot see how we do not see that the fix is in. The the SC along with the Federalist Society is taking deliberate steps to lock in power for the status quo (GOP) and beat back the change that was coming.
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09-22-2022 , 12:47 AM
And there, he squandered all his money on protestant living.
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09-22-2022 , 05:15 AM
someone let the Iranians know that rioting is never OK
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09-22-2022 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
it's pure stupidity to think that any non ally nation would want biden over trump.

believing trump is tough on russia/china is a pretty big signal that you are firmly stuck in the republican misinfo bubble.

i mean biden just said this past week that the US would defend Taiwan from Chinese aggression..
Intelligence community must be full of idiots. I’ll let them know that you are an expert in the field.

https://apnews.com/article/election-...63bc720d70fc2d


Trump made expensive tariffs against China and started the Chinese flu idea. China also doesn’t have blackmail on trump like Russia does.

Biden on the other hand is good for trade and focuses on Chinese/American economy while also hating Russia Cold War style.

Does that make sense to you or do you think that I’m making things up again
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09-22-2022 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Intelligence community must be full of idiots. I’ll let them know that you are an expert in the field.

https://apnews.com/article/election-...63bc720d70fc2d


Trump made expensive tariffs against China and started the Chinese flu idea. China also doesn’t have blackmail on trump like Russia does.

Biden on the other hand is good for trade and focuses on Chinese/American economy while also hating Russia Cold War style.

Does that make sense to you or do you think that I’m making things up again
trump was an isolationist. he wanted to pull out of most if not all international treaties for his "America First" agenda. Both Russia and China would have benefited greatly from Trump being in office again vs Biden's more routine foreign policy. while your link says that the US thinks that China may view trump has unpredictable at worst, ultimately they would likely still view him as controllable and bribable. get some trump branding on properties in Macau and he'd let you do pretty much whatever you wanted.

like i said previously every non-ally would prefer Trump over Biden. Trump wanted to weaken the American sphere of influence abroad and places like Russia and China have and would continue to fill that vacuum.
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09-22-2022 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
trump was an isolationist. he wanted to pull out of most if not all international treaties for his "America First" agenda. Both Russia and China would have benefited greatly from Trump being in office again vs Biden's more routine foreign policy. while your link says that the US thinks that China may view trump has unpredictable at worst, ultimately they would likely still view him as controllable and bribable. get some trump branding on properties in Macau and he'd let you do pretty much whatever you wanted.

like i said previously every non-ally would prefer Trump over Biden. Trump wanted to weaken the American sphere of influence abroad and places like Russia and China have and would continue to fill that vacuum.
Link me to trump macao? Trump was already president. They had their chance. By your own definition, they didn’t use it.
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09-22-2022 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Link me to trump macao? Trump was already president. They had their chance. By your own definition, they didn’t use it.
just look at the trademarks trump and family received in china, and how they were mostly fast tracked. the Chinese certainly were in the process of scaling up the potential bribes, no reason to think it wouldn't have continued.
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09-22-2022 , 04:17 PM
Trademarks are nothing compared to blaming China for Covid and then slapping billions of dollars of tariffs which had huge implications for American spending power.
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09-22-2022 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Trademarks are nothing compared to blaming China for Covid and then slapping billions of dollars of tariffs which had huge implications for American spending power.
better to have job then not having one.
china been cheating a long time .
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09-22-2022 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
Trademarks are nothing compared to blaming China for Covid and then slapping billions of dollars of tariffs which had huge implications for American spending power.
you seem to think there was a directed anti-china strategy behind blaming them for covid.. there really wasn't. it was just blame anyone other than him. he would have blamed it on literally anything to push the topic away from his massive failures.

also what did his blaming do? only his lackeys thought there was any rationale on his racism of calling it the "china virus"
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09-22-2022 , 05:42 PM
Trump saying thanks to Xi for his transparency and keeping things under control was a huge capitulation right at the time pressure needed to be applied.
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09-30-2022 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
One knucklehead?? Do you know how many Republican election deniers are in congress right now, and how many will be on the ballot in just a few months? It's a lot more than the number of Democratic politicians who called Trump "illegitimate" (but didn't attempt anything to prevent him from taking office).

Also, all may note that bahbahmickey believes 81% of republican voters are, in his words, "crazies".
# of dem election deniers >>>>>>>> # of repub election deniers
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09-30-2022 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
# of dem election deniers >>>>>>>> # of repub election deniers
Which election u speak of for dems ?
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