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Cuepee called Deuces a "Trumper" when he is extremely obviously not that. Who's trolling? I don't agree with Deuces on this thing, but he is neither mindless nor a troll.
I don't understand the passion on either side. The following things seem trivially true:
- Russia and its troll farms posted disinformation that would indirectly interfere in the US Presidential election
- the US, and other powerful nations, routinely interfere in other state's elections (often much more directly than having troll farms posting disinformation)
This is what I am I am talking about, the damaging effects of the media constantly making insinuations to the point where a lot of people just take the insinuation as fact.
Can you acknowledge the fact, acknowledged by at least one poster who doesn't agree with me, that there is no evidence tying the troll farms to the Russian government? So you can't say Russia there. They look like click-bait operations and there is no evidence saying otherwise. If there is please cite the actual evidence.
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So, the only unique question here is to what degree Trump overtly colluded with Putin and Russia. We probably will never have the answer, but there's some circumstantial stuff we can examine.
Mueller gave us an answer to that question, a question which probably should have never been asked in the first place. Mueller said there was no evidence of collusion. He didn't say there was evidence but not enough to act on. He said, after 20 months and 40 million dollars and subpoena power that there was no evidence of collusion. So we do know there was no collusion insofar as we can know any social information.
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Trump has stayed at numerous Russian-owned properties and is known as a horny weirdo pervert, so it seems likely that Putin has some type of kompromat here.
No pee tape or any other compromising info was leaked from Russia the whole time Trump was attacking them on every foreign policy front. That is just not sound reasoning there.
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Long story short, this is all super standard election chicanery and the endless paragraphs about memos and Mueller and pee tapes are totally unimportant.
We are discussing domestic election chicanery, the kind that falsely claims chicanery where there is none. The deep state did their version, and now the Trumpers are doing theirs. We are pretty much in a state of open disinformation warfare. How far are we going to take this as a society? Is just everything said going to be a damn lie when it comes to politics? There is an obvious connection here with the anti vaccine movement, the deep distrust of authority, which is really killing people.
Think about it from a Trumper's perspective. You see your guy being lied about constantly, lies which, for the sake of the charade, actually are often retracted (with some major exceptions). You see pundits on TV characterizing juvenile click bait as, literally, acts of war. The trumpers saw you lie in order to impeach their guy, lie for 3 years and then keep lying. Then you tell them to inject untested chemicals into their bodies for public health reasons. Of course they are going to distrust those same sources now. We can't function when everyone is going around lying constantly.