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06-29-2021 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Presumptions are dangerous things. There haven't been evidentiary hearings yet at the State level for the general election where actual hard evidence has been provided. Previous lawsuits have failed for various reasons relating to standing, heresay, speculation and some others that had low quality evidence. Theres a good summary here if you're interested.
Interesting that you are stating that merits have had little play when the conclusion of the article you cited suggests differently

Spoiler:

SO, IS DONALD TRUMP RIGHT?

To put it succinctly, no. The President’s explanation for his record in court does not hold up under scrutiny.

There are certainly isolated cases where judges did not consider the merits of the Trump campaign’s arguments. Specifically, he can point to the US Supreme Court, and that last decision I mentioned from the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Otherwise, even when his campaign’s lawsuits have been rejected for technical reasons – such as a lack of standing, or the laches doctrine – judges have gone out of their way to address the merits of its arguments as well.

On multiple occasions, Mr Trump’s lawyers have been given the opportunity to present their much-hyped evidence in court, and have failed to do so.

When they have offered purported evidence of fraud, such as in Nevada and Michigan, judges have invariably found it unconvincing.

The President is certainly free to disagree with those judgments. But when he says judges refused to even hear the evidence, he is wrong.

06-29-2021 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
That link, at first glance, looks like hot garbage bingobazza but I will dive deeper later.
You guys are braver than I am. I tend not to click on links posted by people who brag about committing fraud.
06-29-2021 , 02:05 PM
I’m sorry but this evidence that Lindell has why do we need to wait to August? Why can’t he make it public now? Why can’t he provide it to Trumps lawyers and have them present it in court? Wouldn’t you want this out as soon as possible so they could reinstate your savor and stop that commie bastard Joe from governing another couple months?

Only logical reason for the delay is that the evidence is crap and you’re using this false “hope” to fleece the supporters of more money.

Is Lindell’s evidence, “hey I have these guys there experts at hacking computers and they said they could hack these voting machines”? Ok…, if so I guess Trump didn’t pay them enough as they should’ve switched more votes for Trump than they did.
06-29-2021 , 09:29 PM
These sealioning posts are boring. What ever happened to the pope flying in on a jetpack to crown Trump as god-emperor-for-life as the military arrests our current government and puts them to work in their secret underground mithril mines?
06-29-2021 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay S
These sealioning posts are boring. What ever happened to the pope flying in on a jetpack to crown Trump as god-emperor-for-life as the military arrests our current government and puts them to work in their secret underground mithril mines?
Trust the plan
06-30-2021 , 02:08 AM


06-30-2021 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay S
These sealioning posts are boring. What ever happened to the pope flying in on a jetpack to crown Trump as god-emperor-for-life as the military arrests our current government and puts them to work in their secret underground mithril mines?
I thought the Pope was one of the people who the military was supposed to arrest.
06-30-2021 , 04:57 AM
This Italygate nonsense is awesome.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-o...conspiracy-yet

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
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As is this.
06-30-2021 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte


who would've thought the terminator movies were a real life parabellum for what we should've done to steve job's <2007. seriously, take that guy out, eliminate smart phones, change the future, save the world!
06-30-2021 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
That link, at first glance, looks like hot garbage bingobazza but I will dive deeper later.

The fact is court after court WHEN THEY GOT STANDING were told by Trump Lawyers "we are not alleging any fraud" by the exact same lawyers who stood outside the courts both before and after the hearings saying they were in fact alleging fraud.


Does that mean that in the spamming of the courts by Trump lawyers they did not also bring a lot of cases that 'had no standing"? No. They did both.

You understand both things can be true right?
Yes I do. I said precisely that in the post you actually reference and provided an exhaustive list of his cases and the reasons for their dismissal.

"Previous lawsuits have failed for various reasons relating to standing, heresay, speculation and some others that had low quality evidence. Theres a good summary here if you're interested."

You understand English, right?
06-30-2021 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Interesting that you are stating that merits have had little play when the conclusion of the article you cited suggests differently

Spoiler:

SO, IS DONALD TRUMP RIGHT?

To put it succinctly, no. The President’s explanation for his record in court does not hold up under scrutiny.

There are certainly isolated cases where judges did not consider the merits of the Trump campaign’s arguments. Specifically, he can point to the US Supreme Court, and that last decision I mentioned from the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Otherwise, even when his campaign’s lawsuits have been rejected for technical reasons – such as a lack of standing, or the laches doctrine – judges have gone out of their way to address the merits of its arguments as well.

On multiple occasions, Mr Trump’s lawyers have been given the opportunity to present their much-hyped evidence in court, and have failed to do so.

When they have offered purported evidence of fraud, such as in Nevada and Michigan, judges have invariably found it unconvincing.

The President is certainly free to disagree with those judgments. But when he says judges refused to even hear the evidence, he is wrong.

Another one who can't read? WTH has happened to this forum?

Here..."There haven't been evidentiary hearings yet at the State level for the general election where actual hard evidence has been provided."

No mention of merits in that post.
06-30-2021 , 06:24 AM
Rep. Daire Rendon (MI) said yesterday: “I am in receipt of evidence reflecting systemic election fraud in Michigan that occurred in the November 2020 election.”

She referenced the affidavit below, essentially a cyber forensic report which has the admin user names used and timestamps of Taiwanese and German IP addresses annoymously and remotely accessing the MI election infrastructure (it’s quite technical, 9 pages long but well worth a read). This report is presently uncontested by election participants (and it’s been published for months.

https://www.scribd.com/document/513548171/JPenrose-JLenberg-AssessmentofHalderman-06-23-2021-Final-Signed2#from_embed"]here[/URL] that prompted to investigate.

Could this be why the Sheriff of Maricopa made the hilarious claim that confidential police files were on the routers (on the actual routers...lol...should have talked to his IT guys first) in Maricopa and defied a subpoena to produce them? The routers would show any external intrusions into the election system. Thats likely going to court shortly to enforce compliance.

This is what hard evidence looks like, if it's true.
06-30-2021 , 06:27 AM
Excuse me, but much more important topics like the Pope flying with a jet pack and/or being arrested are being discussed. As well, there is a band opening available to you if you have any musical ability. Comes with a patch!

All the best.
06-30-2021 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Rep. Daire Rendon (MI) said yesterday: “I am in receipt of evidence reflecting systemic election fraud in Michigan that occurred in the November 2020 election.”

She referenced the affidavit below, essentially a cyber forensic report which has the admin user names used and timestamps of Taiwanese and German IP addresses annoymously and remotely accessing the MI election infrastructure (it’s quite technical, 9 pages long but well worth a read). This report is presently uncontested by election participants (and it’s been published for months.

https://www.scribd.com/document/513548171/JPenrose-JLenberg-AssessmentofHalderman-06-23-2021-Final-Signed2#from_embed"]here[/URL] that prompted to investigate.

Could this be why the Sheriff of Maricopa made the hilarious claim that confidential police files were on the routers (on the actual routers...lol...should have talked to his IT guys first) in Maricopa and defied a subpoena to produce them? The routers would show any external intrusions into the election system. Thats likely going to court shortly to enforce compliance.

This is what hard evidence looks like, if it's true.
It's interesting how all this evidence is being uncovered exclusively by people who were 100% certain that the election was rigged from the moment that Trump made the allegation.

There are a fair number of crazy people in the U.S. House of representatives, and I could find a hundred people in state legislatures across the country who make Marjorie Taylor Greene look like the picture of sanity.

I also love how bingobazza completely ignores Rudy's repeated refusal to tell a court the same thing he was telling the press (i.e., that there was fraud).
06-30-2021 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Excuse me, but much more important topics like the Pope flying with a jet pack and/or being arrested are being discussed. As well, there is a band opening available to you if you have any musical ability. Comes with a patch!

All the best.
I think that the Pope will be arrested for flying a jetpack without a license.
06-30-2021 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Yes I do. I said precisely that in the post you actually reference and provided an exhaustive list of his cases and the reasons for their dismissal.

"Previous lawsuits have failed for various reasons relating to standing, heresay, speculation and some others that had low quality evidence. Theres a good summary here if you're interested."

You understand English, right?
So then why state such a garbage thing like this then "... There haven't been evidentiary hearings yet at the State level for the general election where actual hard evidence has been provided. Previous lawsuits have failed for various reasons relating to standing, heresay, speculation and some others that had low quality evidence. ...."

The fact of the matter is that the Trump Team spammed lawsuits in all sorts of courts. Some where the proper ones to hear the complaint and review the cases and others were not.

In all, ALL of the ones that were the appropriate courts the Trump team when in and said 'we are not here to say there was any fraud and are not presenting any evidence of fraud'. They admitted they had nothing.

When it comes to the Courts who said "sorry this is the wrong place for that. You cannot sue here on that and must use the Courts up the road" you guys suggest "see they won't hear the evidence" to suggest such evidence exists and they are just blocked via technicality. That is just nonsense because when they do get in the appropriate court they say 'we have nothing'.
06-30-2021 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by bingobazza
Another one who can't read? WTH has happened to this forum?

Here..."There haven't been evidentiary hearings yet at the State level for the general election where actual hard evidence has been provided."

No mention of merits in that post.


Quote:
Originally Posted by King Spew
Spoiler:

SO, IS DONALD TRUMP RIGHT?

To put it succinctly, no. The President’s explanation for his record in court does not hold up under scrutiny.

There are certainly isolated cases where judges did not consider the merits of the Trump campaign’s arguments. Specifically, he can point to the US Supreme Court, and that last decision I mentioned from the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

Otherwise, even when his campaign’s lawsuits have been rejected for technical reasons – such as a lack of standing, or the laches doctrine – judges have gone out of their way to address the merits of its arguments as well.

On multiple occasions, Mr Trump’s lawyers have been given the opportunity to present their much-hyped evidence in court, and have failed to do so.

When they have offered purported evidence of fraud, such as in Nevada and Michigan, judges have invariably found it unconvincing.

The President is certainly free to disagree with those judgments. But when he says judges refused to even hear the evidence, he is wrong.

So when given the opportunity MULTIPLE TIMES to supply your Hard Evidence......
06-30-2021 , 10:39 AM
TrumpDerps : ... but... but ...they were not given standing in many courts to present that evidence they had.

Others : ok so they showed up at the incorrect courts due to lawyer idiocy and were told to go to the courts in the other jurisdiction as those are the proper ones to hear this claim, so why did they not present that 'hard evidence' in those courts'

TrumpDerps : we want the incorrect courts to hear it. Why would we show our evidence in the proper courts.


Also remember the TrumpDerps were saying 'the Trump legal team was purposely not showing the real evidence in courts as they did not want to tip their hand to these biased courts and get rulings against them and have all their hard evidence leaked out. Instead their goal was to hold it all back, and only present once at the Supreme Court in a SHAZAM move, as for the first time the Kraken is released and the SC would be forced to act.

It was actually a good strategy until they found out you really cannot present any info to the SC that was not presented in the lower court first. The SC is a court of 'review' not original submissions.

D'OH!!!
06-30-2021 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Also remember the TrumpDerps were saying 'the Trump legal team was purposely not showing the real evidence in courts as they did not want to tip their hand to these biased courts and get rulings against them and have all their hard evidence leaked out. Instead their goal was to hold it all back, and only present once at the Supreme Court in a SHAZAM move, as for the first time the Kraken is released and the SC would be forced to act.

It was actually a good strategy until they found out you really cannot present any info to the SC that was not presented in the lower court first. The SC is a court of 'review' not original submissions.

D'OH!!!
There is no way anyone on Trump's legal team believed the bolded. And if anyone in the Twittersphere actually believed the bolded, they know nothing about the law.
06-30-2021 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
There is no way anyone on Trump's legal team believed the bolded. And if anyone in the Twittersphere actually believed the bolded, they know nothing about the law.
I used to question if the TrumpDerps truly believed any of it? The "election was stolen"? etc. I was pretty sure it was more akin to partisan extreme sports fan worship where in the heat of the moment you would not get an extreme Celtics fan to admit anything good or positive or true about the Lakers.

But if you gave them the chance to win a million dollars by choosing an obvious truth, they denied in partisan fervor, they would side with reality. They would suddenly wake up, clear the fog and choose the clear fact.

But this is different due to the Right Media propaganda which is pure brainwashing.

So while I am not sure anyone on Trumps legal team believed it there were plenty TrumpDerps who did. They thought the trap was being set for a SC expose of all original material.
06-30-2021 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I used to question if the TrumpDerps truly believed any of it? The "election was stolen"? etc. I was pretty sure it was more akin to partisan extreme sports fan worship where in the heat of the moment you would not get an extreme Celtics fan to admit anything good or positive or true about the Lakers.

But if you gave them the chance to win a million dollars by choosing an obvious truth, they denied in partisan fervor, they would side with reality. They would suddenly wake up, clear the fog and choose the clear fact.

But this is different due to the Right Media propaganda which is pure brainwashing.

So while I am not sure anyone on Trumps legal team believed it there were plenty TrumpDerps who did. They thought the trap was being set for a SC expose of all original material.
I'm not disputing that a lot of the TrumpDerps actually believed that the election was stolen.

My point was only that no one with a law degree would believe that it is possible to introduce evidence for the first time on an appeal to the SCOTUS.
07-04-2021 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I'm not disputing that a lot of the TrumpDerps actually believed that the election was stolen.

My point was only that no one with a law degree would believe that it is possible to introduce evidence for the first time on an appeal to the SCOTUS.
Don't be so sure of that as I might have a lawyer or two to sell you!

07-07-2021 , 09:19 AM
This why I always say there simply is no way, NONE, to placate Trump.

If you turn a blind eye to his lies or actions thinking that is enough, he will take it at the time but then come after you later if you will state publicly what he did was correct and right.

He does not just demand lies of omission, he demands you further soil yourself by becoming complicit or he and his proxies will come after you.

If Trump keeps a hold on the party each and every Republican who thinks you can support him solely by not addressing the issues or being somewhat neutral will find out that is not the case. Trump requires taking the knee. A full throated endorsement of any and all of his actions ('Perfect Call',' Tourist visit at the Capital', etc) and as soon as he inches you along to one position and you jump that hurdle for him he moves the bar and demands the you do so on the next hurdle.



Oklahoma GOP chair backs Lankford's primary challenger


...After a June 26 rally, Oklahoma GOP chair John Bennett told reporters that Lankford’s decision not to object to the results of the 2020 presidential election was proof that the senator couldn’t keep promises made to constituents, per The Oklahoman....
07-08-2021 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
This Italygate nonsense is awesome.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-o...conspiracy-yet


As is this.

They was a fun read.
07-08-2021 , 10:22 PM
Monte, did I win my bet? It's been over 6 months, someone owes someone 50 bucks here.

      
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