Hate speech against BIPOC is up 202% according to the ADL since Elon took over twitter. As expected - should never let a white supremacist control that platform.

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I do not trust anyone implanting chips in my brain

Twitter has a wave of generally considered more "left' leaning journalists, advocates, etc that they are banning despite no clear rules violations...


Left-Wing Voices Are Silenced on Twitter as Far-Right Trolls Advise Elon Musk

Several left-wing activists had their Twitter accounts suspended after a false-report campaign by far-right users



Elon is also bringing in Shadow Bans, which is generally described as pushing to the fore certain voices and content so it is more easily discoverable and engaged with which then it makes harder to find other voices. The right cried incessantly, without proof, that Shadow bans were used against they, beyond for just rule breaking.


Elon Musk Says Twitter Shadowbans Are the New Law of the Land



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I've argued on this site that what the righ twas calling for was NEVER free speech, and what Elon was offering was NEVER free speech. It was only an issue of what set of rules and who controlled the rules. The right thinks the left controling rules and imposing their bias is wrong. BUt the right controlling platforms and inserting their platform is right. They then describe that as Free Speech wrong.


And the MSM is guilty of playing in to this as anyone who describes this as a Free Speech argument/issue is playing into the right game and talking point in very lozen like uncritical thinking ways.


This issue should solely be describes as some variant of 'the right does not believe the left has any right impose moderation rules and only the right does'.

That is the only battle being fought.

So Elon paid 44 billion to be a whistleblower? Interesting how Elon is buying companies to try to change the world for what he believes is better. Other billionaires donate to charities they could end up having no control over.

No he did it to Troll and own the Libz.

The big Hunter Biden 'reveal' is that the bulk of the posts were nude compromising positions of Hunter meant to troll and ridicule that break Twitters rules then and now, but Elon won't disclose that as it does not serve the false narrative.

I think it's a bit different than that, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to change your mind.

Funny though I was banned from this forum until after the election for posting the NY Post article about the laptop.

were your 1st amendment rights violated?? call elon, he might help..

They probably sacked most of the moderation staff, so what is left is probably auto-moderation that triggers on a certain ratio of reports vs exposure. That is very weak to brigading.

Ultimately, the whole debacle is likely an unmitigated disaster for conservative parties, politicians and movements. Twitter was a very important recruitment ground for finding and convincing politically active independents. Pretty much any serious study tells us that they were winning that battle by a solid margin, simple because they were favored by engagement and social media algorithms. However, they need the independents to actually be there in order to recruit their votes.

For the far right it is shaping up to be an enormous political and ideological victory however, perhaps even on par with then-president Trump's remarks after the Charlottesville terror attack.

There will definitely be a move towards automated moderation. Musk has said as much and can be believed on that at least.

Europe is slowly progressing with regulation. I assume the usa will be the usual **** show.

Lol, Britbongers calling the US shitshow is the pot calling the kettle black. Brexit, PMs who last days, et cetera.

Honestly you have to be a fool to think Elon did it based on any principle based stand around 'Free Speech' and that is not just a rally line to excite the dumbest derps amongst us.

Free Speech = paying $8 for a blue check mark or having your speech being subverted to those who do PAY for FREE speech.

Free Speech = Elon instituting shadow bans as POLICY when prior the right complained about a suspected shadow ban policy they could not prove existed and the company denied

Free Speech = a host of left leaning, and not even all controversial pundits or commentators all now getting banned from twitter


the only thing Free Speech means to right leaning derps is the same thing Law and Order and Supporting the Police and Troops means to them. And that is 'agree with my stance as nothing else matters'.


Twitter is no freer under Elon then it was under prior ownership, it has only shifted the line of moderation and if history proves anything, Elon will be forced like Truth Social and the other 'right' derp platforms that emulate Twitter that had MORE RULES controlling speech, because the right derps will be so emboldened they will push ever more aborrent content requiring Twitter to crack down even more.

Derps on the right do not know that Truth Social had more strict moderation rules than Twitter had.

But ya ...FREE SPEECH! ...hurr durr.

That is exactly what they are saying. Right derps realized that by mass reporting perceived Leftist enemies en masse they could get the algorithm to ban them.

So if Elon is pro free speech he should get rid of the algorithm based system as I assume the radicals on the left will be doing same as we speak.

BUt oh wait, Algorithm based moderation is supposed to be Elons cure all for this human based bias moderation. Oops.


And also yes, another big lie is that Twitter silenced right based 'thought' and 'thought leaders' disproportionately to the left.

Fact show easily right based content is push more often and is more plentiful as it tends to drive the most engagement and thus profits.

Right based commentators get banned more as they make it a brand elevation point to get banned. When a Leftist and a Rightie get a notification from Twitter, 'your content broke a rule... do not do that again', the lefties listen more and moderate that behaviour.

The Rightie says 'F-U Twitter you won't silence my Free Speech' knowing the defiance will draw more eyes to their content and get them more clicks and viewers. A Ban is often the cherry on top, especially if just a temp ban.

My current company i am involved with is in the business of developing 'automated adjudication' ('AA') for the spectrum of companies in the 'Finance Industry' who provide loans, whether private or standard banking institutions.

What i can tell you is that the MINUTE any new AA engines or technology is released, there is a myriad of private actors who set upon trying to 'break it'. It was particularly horrid in the Used Car industry, where if they could find any exploit in the AA engine that could allow them to push through loans that would get rejected by any of the manual tests, word would get out, and the banks or private lenders using that AA engine, would get stuffed full of that paper until they realized and closed that gap.


That is what Elon is facing now, with users realizing the AA is susceptible to mass reports.

While AI and Machine Learning are great as applied to very basic and strict rules such as 'income below X decline' AA has immense challenges when you have a myriad factors, each of which might be a 'No' individually but each of which taken in context and over lapping might equal a yes.

You and i have argued over this before but automated rules based adjudication, as the primary way of dealing with the types of challenging content Twitter is being forced to deal with is at no where near the level that it is a solution yet. the best it can do in most instances is kick 'suspicious' material over to human eyes for the end decision. Which means lots and lots of human bodies making the calls, in even DELAYED moderation. For REAL TIME, robust moderation, short of very tight controlled 'key word' and other such offenses, AA is no where near close yet.

As usual I think you miss the mark considerably. Sure it's an arms race but the only question is how fast and how effectively automation wins. It's not a solution as in anywhere close to 100%. Nor is human moderation of course . It is a solution in terms of very significantly and increasingly addressing issues - combined with some smaller number of humans of course (for now) .

The real issue is the driving force. The whims of musk, the market or regulation.

I don't miss the mark, not even a little bit.

I believe it is the future, but just as the right derps showed how quickly and easy it was for them to exploit currently just by understanding it is vulnerable to mass reporting and if the left starts doing same the problem of unjustified bans grows exponentially, I understand, at the CURRENT stage of AI and any such automated decisioning the tech is not there yet.

YOu can have faith it will get there (as do i) but understand it is not assured just as Elons self driving cars with no human needed is not assured. The tech has some major obstacle to circumvent that the best minds in AI will tell you is not assured, even if they would bet on it happening.

None the less there are AI lorries on the road in sweden and cars can do all sorts of things that used to require human decision making. Mostly it's about reducing the amount of human hours/involvment required. Maybe I'm wrong but it seem to me like you think it's not working unless no human involvement is required

It's already a case of what can be done. The only faith (if we want to ignore the fact it's not faith) is how fast it it is happening.

Ya you are very wrong.

I have said consistently it is and has worked WELL within very confined limits to date. Yes AI is doing some of the more black and white, clear Yes/No type tasks. It is easy for AI to disqualify everyone applying for a loan who lives outside the service area by just looking at Zip Code. Check. And that does save time. Good.

But the next steps for AI where they can truly replicate and replace the human factor in driving and other areas is just not there.

And more importantly that next advance is no longer believed, as some theorized and hoped at the start just a function of 'Big Data' but will require new 'logic' pathways be discovered.

The biggest advancing in AI we are currently enjoying were due to Amazon, Facebook, Google et al opening up and utilizing their big data in public consumption ways. So much data eventually starts to create road maps that Machine Learning and AI can read and use as predictive. And early on the limits of where Big Data could take the world were unknown and many assumed it would be enough for most things like Autonomous cars. It is no longer believed that Big Data alone and the continued aggregation of it will solve these remaining issues.

To make it real simple it is easy for Big Data to predict the most efficient path between A and B by looking at the route millions of cars took and time they took. That path Big Data gives will be the best MOST times and if the cars stick to it they will get the best result most times. Big Data is very good at that.

Where Big Data sucks is when you have dynamic environment of pedestrians, cyclists and people getting in and out of cars into the flow of traffic. pulling out of parking spots or other such dynamic events that require adjustments. We humans, have a form of intuition for those events. An alert driver is estimating in advance (defensive driving) whether it looks like the person sitting in the car may open their door and step out, a cyclist might be doing a shoulder check as they need to get over to turn left, etc. We basically make instantaneous bets and start reacting to them in advance.

The belief is that for AI to get that 'last mile' it will come from Quantum Computing and perhaps AI eventually teaching itself in ways we humans do not even understand in the way some AI game engines now learn chess and other games. But that needed jump in AI tech may not ever happen. It is not a given and there is a good number of experts who do not think it will happen. We are talking an AI jump that would be a precursor for a Data like AI using logic and intuition and very much approximating sentience, if not achieving it under some definitions.

I suspect the same could be said about any argument that ends with "therefore you should vote for Senator Warnock."

(If I lived in Georgia, I'd either vote for Walker or stay home.)

I believe that you posted this before elon's data dump. Since you post ITT I assume you have followed twitter a bit and heard about the data dump so therefore no longer believe that twitter wasn't run by "lefty sjw types". Expanding on that new found knowledge do you now think that a huge majority of traditional media is also run by "lefty sjw types" considering most/all knew that the laptop was real essentially from day 1 and continued to ignore and/or deny the story's legitimacy?

Considering elon built his net worth on the backs of taxpayers and the employees, owners and customers of other car manufactures I think he saw buying twitter as a way to give back because he knew about the corruption in the FBI and dem party.

Nah

Don't tell me you got caught and duped into thinking there was any thing of real value in the data dump, something even ardent conservatives analysts looking at the data are asking 'what is in here, we are supposed to be concerned with'?


It has aleady been disclosed that the bulk of requests from the Biden campaign were for twitter to follow their own rules and remove compromising nudes of Hunter. Again the Biden campaign who were not government.

What we need is for Elon to release also the Trump requests as its reported the Trump White House was making a similar amount of demands and requests at the same time. GOVERNMENT requests.

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Ya i know you don't think you are but I KNOW you are.

I have a company smack dab in the middle of this area, and I have networked with some of the top people in the world in the sector but i know, you have opinions from stuff you read online and thus we won't get to any agreement.

You dont know.

I have gone through it with you before but you are totally stuck on the wrong things. Where we might agree is that AI will be held to a much higher standard than humans when it comes to issue like driving safely.

We will have to agree to nah ya