You either think it’s killing a baby or something else. If you think it’s killing a baby you’ll probably want your representatives in your state capital to STOP KILLING BABIES.

That’s the debate for one side and there’s no room for disagreement

Relying on Roe and Casey was always a terrible political strategy. You’re a moron if you think anyone writing any amendment to our constitution was thinking about abortion. Every other civilized country addressed this issue through legislation. Why that did not happen in Washington between 1973 and now I don’t know. Maybe laziness. Maybe they never had the votes.

Very soon you won’t be able to get an abortion in states where the majority of voters oppose abortion, about half the country. I think that’s from a failure of Washington democrats. When the R side says for 70+ years they think it’s killing a baby and they want it outlawed you can’t really blame them for doing what they said they want. Also in my opinion you can’t know where you actually stand on abortion until it’s your kid someone is talking about aborting.

Unfortunately that will not solve the problem as the baby killers will just drive to the nearest blue state to get it done.

Yea some liberal should pledge $1 billion to fund airfare and a hotel to go to an abortion state from the south, no questions asked.

Note how much easier it would have been to pass a federal law guaranteeing abortion I dunno say in 1977 when jimmy carter was in the White House and there were 292 Democrats in the house versus 143 Rs and the senate had 61 Democrats.

I find it confusing when priests and Incels start worrying about getting women pregnant.

True but this is not a winning topic for the GOP. In fact it will hurt them in an election

The Bible endorses some types of slavery, such as debtors working off their debt.

The Bible also forbids some types of slavery, especially those that involve man stealing, such as occurred with American chattel slavery.

The Bible also establishes guidelines for some types of slavery that are not favored by God, but were permitted for a season in a given socio-economic condition at the time.

America and virtually the whole World CURRENTLY endorses some types of slavery, most especially the incarceration of criminals.

n.b. "Slavery" is "involuntary servitude" in modern terms.

A lot of the people on this forum don't take kindly to speaking common sense. You should cut that out.

I'm not aware of anywhere in Scripture where abortion itself is condoned.

You are correct that Scripture endorses killing in some situations.

As a rule of thumb, innocent life is to be protected

Thanks to Roe v Wade, a woman has a RIGHT to kill her innocent baby.

In my view, anyone who believes that a woman has a right to kill her unborn baby is a de facto Satanist.

Good on you for also supporting the man's right to choose.

How very progressive of you.

As Mark Twain said, "The problem with common sense is that it's not very common" (paraphrasing)

Thanks for clarifying.

Ok. So lets avoid what the bible does not "endorse" as a suggestion that means it is right/wrong as that will be a very slope in which I will throw out a bunch of things the bible does not specifically condone and ask you to determine what that means.

I think even you would agree there is no logic to using 'what it is does endorse' in that way. Correct?

So is it fair to say by this reply that you are conceding that the bible does not speak to abortion being bad or a sin as I have said?

And if so then, are you acting solely on your extrapolation of right and wrong to condemn it? (which is fine btw as you are entitled to an opinion)

I quoted Mark Twain once during a disagreement. The person called me a racist for quoting a racist. LOL good times.

My pleasure, sir.

What state allows the killing of babies ?

I like how blunt and to the point nick is. He reminds me a bit of me, if you subtract the intelligence, charm, wit, and charisma.

Edit: and the good looks, ldo. Forgot that one.

Yeah , I know right .
No wonder masturbating was bad in the old ages , cause you were killing potential babies too ….

Woman should be condemn of having their period because it is killing potential babies too.

If the couple used protection but still got pregnant, would it be ok to have an abortion?

They don't call it baby batter for nothing.

Those fetuses are all born with the stain of original sin. All bets are off.....

Don't blame Satan for human choices.

The US has plenty of baby blood on it's hands. No reason to get all dramatic over this blood, even if you think it's immoral.

There it is !
But the end result of his « desire » is to annihilate all freedom for others about their own beliefs for :
cells aren’t babies and it’s ok for woman to get an abortion !


If he had only « desires » and not impose his beliefs , he would not go as far as the talibans to impose their religion beliefs on others in their private life , at all cost in a totalitarian fashion ...

But for guys like lagtight is , his beliefs is the « real and only thruth in this world » and that is a dangerous view of the world .
You are with me or against me .

That is how totalitarian lead by a dictator state happens .
No nuances or freedom allowed to dissent the ideology of the state .


Beliefs is beliefs .
Or you respect it or you don’t .
If you want people to respect your beliefs respects theirs right ?
So to me the method to find agreement between all this simply through freedom .
Freedom to chose allows everyone to live their life with their own beliefs .

Even tho I think abortion is a tragedy and vaccination is an amazing medical tool to solve a lot of health problems , having freedom to do it or not is what should be aim for .

Again you are free or you are not .

There is an RGT post calling your bluff on this topic that you have remained silent on for months - it's tempting to say you've been avoiding it. Given how you don't hold back on other topics, it's interesting to say the least!

I won't say any more about it ITT. You know where to defend your position.

Oops another example of lagtight not answering …?

Always love reading comments in this thread. It makes you feel like you just strolled into a liberal mental health institution. Good times.

You forgot to tell us in which states it's legal to kill babies.