it's really unfortunate that scheer choose to push this as a wedge issue and now we all have to talk about it.

lol nobody is saying there wasn't economic consequences you silly goose! Just that you are being ridiculous hyperbolic and nonsensical when you this:
The canadian economy is not basically destroyed. That doesn't mean there haven't been economic consequences.

Yeah anyone who says the economy is terrible is just a "silly goose".

Yet they selected prisons with a low infection rate. That is 600 health care workers that could have been vaccinated. We have so few dozes we need to choose wisely

Please get your facts straight it was Erin O'Toole that made this an issue . He is the guy that was serving his country as Justin was sexually assaulting a reporter and painting his body with black paint

be a better poster than this. It’s pathetic. Simply pathetic.

Oh. How do you know this?

Well, thanks for that factoid - extremely relevant to a discussion of who Saskatchewan chose to vaccinate.

nope, “terrible” and “basically destroyed” are not the same thing. I mean, you even quoted how 79% of the job losses are back, that isn’t basically destroyed. Lol.

Where does this come from? The only relevant link in the article shows that the Sask penitentiary has more active CV cases than any other federal institution.

As far as I can tell the only criteria for inmates getting the doses is the same as for the rest of the country, i.e. those who are vulnerable due to being elderly or having underlying health conditions.

Canada begins vaccinating inmates in federal prisons with no active coronavirus cases

CSC Press Release

The assumption being those 1,200 doses could have been directed toward health care workers.

Are you disagreeing with Willd, because your link seems to support his statement?

Just trying to find the 'facts"....

Should a 70 yr-old incarcerated person be given the vaccine before a 60 yr-old front-line health care worker?

And if so, how did the powers that be come to that conclusion?

not in Alberta, showing a net loss of 12,000 positions between Nov and Dec.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/alberta-u...sses-1.5259376


I'm sure Trudeau will be only to happy to return some of those equalization payments that have been draining Alberta dry for decades now.

Right, that was the assumption I was asking him about. Is that where those doses would have otherwise gone?

IDK, I guess it's not really a worthwhile debate. Almost certainly not every health care worker in the country who wants a dose will have one before those doses are given. The argument should be more about whether the particular health care workers those doses could have gone to should or shouldn't be a higher priority. Personally, I'm not going to get all that worked up over 1,200 doses and will trust the health authorities know what they're doing better than we can on our incomplete information.

I respectfully retract my question as kind of silly.

Not a silly question, imo. Causes things to be checked and double checked. Better to be aware of the entire situation...

More importantly though is the bolded part. All we can do is cross our fingers (if you're into that sort of thing).

Lol. Man you are bad at this. YOU QUOTED THE 79% OF JOBS LOSSES ARE NOW RECOVERED statistics. Obviously there is no way to square that with your previous, laughably hyperbolic claim they had "basically destroyed" the Canadian economy. Just lol at trying to backpedal on your own stat and saying it doesn't apply to Alberta (not that the single month job loss disproves the stat, but whatever).

Stage 1 of the federal guidance includes BOTH 70 year and older and health care workers of all ages in the same first category. Whether they are incarcerated doesn't factor in my calculus. People in there 70s in prison are at very high risk because of age AND inability to isolate effectively. Health care is a basic human right, this is well codified in Canada, and just because someone is incarcerated doesn't mean we don't give them a surgery before someone else or put them lower on health care lists. This is just a basic moral principle that we care for the underlying health of people equally, even if we find those people repugnant.

But here is the issue, and why I don't appreciate O'Toole using this to become a wedge issue. Understand the role of prisons and working out the moral ramifications is complicated and nuanced and not everyone is going to agree about it. Its an easy issue to score points on with people with unsophisticated moral views, and quite challenging to build up that sophistication.

Should it be politicized? Absolutely not.

I guess the next question is regarding the logistics and implementation of these "phases." Should not all of Phase 1 be complete before initiating Phase 2? Or is it OK to run them concurrently? Or is this just an optics issue, so long as the process is happening? The key, I guess, as the text above says, is: when supplies become available.

My concern, simply, is when a prison gets the vaccine BEFORE a major urban hospital.

Right. And I get that can be hard for people (including me), because we've seen advice evolve/change over the course of the pandemic, as this is all new to everyone including the medical professionals, and they're forced to learn on the fly.

And not that we should accept all we're told unquestioningly either, of course. But when they have far more information than I do, I'm going to be slow to judge.

Yeah and still 200k more than the height of the 09 recession that Canada handled better than most countries. And this is after the government dished out billions directly to businesses to stay open.

Of course its going to be politicized as that is what politicians do and sadly I am going to use a " Whataboutism" Just like a $14 glass of Orange Juice was politicized.

Personally I do not think the likes of Robert Pickton should get the vaccine ahead of anyone in Phase 1 . Also as you posted earlier no deaths have occurred in a federal prison so why are these prisons prioritized? Also if you want to keep Covid out of the prisons would you not vaccinate the guards and the outside staff?
You may say its only 600 vaccinations or 1200 dozes but when we have only vaccinated about 300,000 folks prisoners should not be our priority and that is not radical opinion

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...hots-1.5247509

Ottawa may soon be labelling the proud boys as terrorists. Of course BLM and Anti-Fa get a pass.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...mic-state.html

Excellent!

Don't worry too much about it. If you slip on some ice this winter you can still blame Antifa if you like, nobody will take that right away from you.

All the best.

All your takes are just dog sh*t blm is on par with proud boys as terrorists? Says the guy who spells racist incorrectly on purpose bc it's a joke.