Its to early to say Justin has done a great job on the Covid Vaccine or a bad job. Yes we were one of the first countries to approve it and got one of the first shipments. That shipment was very small. So yes we were at the front of the line but so far a just a small amount. The question will be were do our orders get filled after that. On a per capita basis we are falling behind many countries. The USA is up to 2 million doses already.
But again it is to early. Lets have the conversation in 30 days , 60 days , and 120 days. Those will be times were we can give the Liberals a thumbs up or thumbs down

While he vacationed in St Barts in the Caribbean. Time to freeze all politicians salaries until lockdowns are over.

Their excuses are the worst. It seems to me its a sense of entitlement were they do not think the rules apply to them.

On the Vaccine front I never knew that the USA has distributed almost 20 million units but administered only 2,000,000.

Here in Alberta Jason Kenney used the same excuse as JT did for not delivering clean water " Its Hard"
Alberta will no longer save the second dose and administer all its doses banking on the second doses will arrive. Governments being able to schedule something 28 days later sounds like trouble

Although let's be clear that justin trudeau gets a TONNE of credit for a huge amount of very challenging work hat has dramatically reduced the clean water problem after the conservatives appeared to just not ****ing care for a decade, work that is truthfully very hard and I've detailed the complexities in this file earlier ITT. It's true, they didn't QUITE get to 100% of their original laudable goal by the deaadline, and I'm very glad to see significant recommitments in money to make sure that happens too at a slightly delayed timescale.

This is rather unlike Alberta just being worse at getting the vaccine out than its neighbours to the west or east.

Maybe so. But it IS right on time to recognize all those conservative predictions of delays were wrong, wrong, wong. The strategize is always to delay any acknowledgement of a job well executed until such time in the future as there can be something to criticize. But of course if there was anything to criticize right now, no conservative would be saying "let's wait 120 days until we talk about this".

The oxford drug just got approved in the UK, although it is less effective than pfizer and moderna, it is much easier especially globally in terms of distro. Canada has - once again - bought 20 million doses (and it is single shot). Every time a new vaccine gets approved and we realize Canada is right there having purchased it it makes me happy to see the uniformly excellent management by trudeau and his team. But right, let's talk about this in 120 days not now, definitely not now, too soon.

They have the option to purchase I do believe. From what I understand they are not committed to buy but have contracts to purchase. The question is as other countries approve all the vaccines were are we in line to fill those contracts.

I use 30 days and 60 days and 120 days as a good timeline to determine the job done.

Kenney now has fallen to the lowest approval rating of all provinces. I get BC being at the top and Alberta at the bottom but Quebec second seems baffling

Jason Kenney never promised a perfect vaccination distribution and Harper never promised clean drinking water. Reality it is very hard to deliver as your dealing with remote locations and contractors. I watched one story on CBC or Global were they were trying to trash the contractor doing the work. He bluntly said Ill never bid on Indigenous contracts again.

You just seem comfortable with politicians making promises and failing to deliver on them without a valid excuse.

oh wow. Harper gets zero condemnation from you despite not even attempting to deal with 3rd world water conditions in Canadian indigenous communities because "he never promised" to help that. But Trudeau who not only promised but made a MASSIVE amount of progress on an extremely complex and difficult file (I outline these complexities previously), with sustained effort both in terms of money and government commitment to the file, but didn't quite make the self-imposed due date. Here, you give zero credit because it was a "promise". This is a terrible black and white lens to view the world.

Similarly, Kenney is being criticized here for being the 2nd worst province in Canada so far. Rightly so. It doesn't matter whether he "promised" something. It matters whether he actually achieved something good.

So some of these groups have been with boil advisories for 25 years. Never knew that Harper was in power for 25 years. Harper did end school reconciliation so saying he did nothing for indigenous communities or just didn't care is a stretch and did he do nothing towards clean drinking water?
Lets be clear this is a Jean Chretien, Brian Mulroney, and Stephen Harper problem. Also note this promise was made in 2015. 6 years is more than enough time to keep this promise.

JT has lifted 98 drinking advisories but still has over 58 to go
https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/150651.../1533317130660

Progress has been made but I still believe make promises you can keep not just to get elected.

Lets be clear Kenney deserves to be ranked low but distribution of a vaccine that has to be stored at minus 70 degrees can provide some challenges as well. The fact that we have vaccines already is nothing short of a scientific miracle. Just as I will not condemn JT nor will I Kenney on the distribution of vaccines for another 30, 60 and 120 days.

I will be fair and treat each leader the same unlike..........

Ontario finance minister resigns after being outed for his secret vacation to st barts. Idc abt his vacation at all, I really don't, but it's funny how his office sent tweets suggesting he was in his riding while he was in the caribbean. Like the simpsons when the mayor went to bahamas during a flu outbreak, and pretended to be in springfield. Oh 2020 gfy

https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/phi...arts-1.5249393

I am so on the fence for this. Its so hypocritical but does he have to resign? Im sure Doug Ford asked him to.

If Justin went to the cottage when folks were not supposed to go to their cottages and no calls were made for his resignation.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6815936/c...easter-travel/
I guess the worst part about it is the tweets making it look like he was at home. His political career comes to an end

Going to your cottage and jet setting to the tropics are not even remotely the same thing. Again I don't care abt the trip, but the fake tweets is why he obv needed to go

They both speak of entitlement "the rules do not apply to " Neither was illegal just poor judgement. If he just went to the Carribean and didnt tweet....

On the fake tweets is were I agree with you on that.

With our tool of a premier refusing to allow the Covid App this was a perfect time to force his hand on the matter for public safety. The federal government could have required all CDN NHL teams players, staff to download the COVID app and require weekly Covid tests.
That would have forced Kenney's hands on the app.

Up to 8 UCPers now travelled, and actually this makes sense. The news conference Frkday where Kenney refused to even meaningfully condemn the action let alone take what ****ing Doug ****ing Ford realized was obvious: fire them. But since that is going to mean firing just a huge number of people, the pathetic defenses seem a bit better.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7551875/k...medium=Twitter

Did any of them take pictures/videos prior to leaving and post them on social media to make it seem like they were still home? Did any of them make posts or statements telling people to stay home these holidays? If they did then they should be fired.

Majority of Politicians are scum, this isnt new. Suspend salaries of Politicians and these lockdowns would be over in 5 minutes.

You do realize Justin did this as well. Were you calling for him to resign?
It is so hypocritical and disgusting that this happened though I do agree with Uke when you got 8 people what are you going to do fire them. What is even worse many do not even feel the need to apologize.
Kenney is now at the lowest approval rating yet and him winning a second term is a long shot only to bring us an NDP leader that is just as ineffective

It also showed the weakness of the UK travel ban as the one UCP member could not flu back from the UK so he flew to the states than Canada

Lets just be honest and say it like it is overall Canada's response on Covid has many failures but luckily we compare it against the USA

lol at the pathetic whataboutisms as if trudeau driving 30 minutes to where his wife and kids were already staying at their second residence is in REMOTELY the same category as flying to the Caribbean for a holiday.

When your the Prime Minister of the country and you ask folks not to do things you should follow the rules yourself. You are in the highest position in the land.
Attempting to say one is worse than the other shows your bias that you give one group of politicians a pass while lambasting the others.
Every conservative followed the laid out health rules yet it is still a breach of the publics trust. Though we now have more federal MP's being caught as well.

I personally find any politician that broke their own guidelines unacceptable and the higher the position you hold the worse it is.
Lets make this clear no politician has been fired they all have just lost critic positions or cabinet positions, no ones been kicked out of a party or resign from their seats.

Kenney at best should have stripped Tracy Allard from her Municipal Affairs post and made sure all his staff were not paid for the two weeks of quarantine they are under.
Albertan's are pissed and rightfully should be. They are more pissed than the Allison Redford days which led to the NDP landslide.


Does anyone see a federal election in 2021? I personally do not unless the Liberals face a non confidence motion which is highly unlikely as the NDP and Green party in my opinion are dying parties with the current leadership.

Lol no. One is worse because it is actually worse. One is driving 30 minutes to see your wife in your own home where she is staying. The other is flying to the Caribbean for a ****ing vacation. Now it turns out the former happened to be a technical violation during a specific two week period way back in April (if Sophie had driven the 30 minutes to him instead it wouldn't be). Ok, that's slightly bad. But it is barely on the same spectrum of what we are talking about in this situation 8 months later.

You get that whataboutisms are a bad way to argue, right? This should be instructive. If what you are typing is a whataboutism, you should probably just delete it. If you really must, then try to reserve it for cases when the whataoutism is at least close to equally as bad. I get it, I get it, you hate trudeau and have all the anti-trudeau talking points all carefully memorized and ready to thrown in at any moment, but just cool it on the whataboutisms.

Not really. The simple reality when you leave the bubble is that Trudeau's job approval numbers have been really good, reflecting that their handling of the economic and medical sides of the pandemic have been pretty damned good. If he had given say a Kenney level performance during the pandemic, then perhaps the NDP would have felt they had an opportunity to really gain in an election.

Isn't that whataboutism comparing Trudeau to Kenney? They had different rolls in the pandemic.

Reality is they both made mistakes I could list shortcomings on both.

I do not hate Trudeau Hate is to strong of a word. I dislike him for not being the politician he promised he would be but I also dislike Kenney and Our Mayor. Maybe Im just a grumpy old man

Happy New Years by the way

No, that is not a whataboutism. You did a whataboutism. We were talking about all of the Kenney ministers flying around on vacations and you were all BUT WHAT ABOUT TRUDEAU, even tho the comparison was a laughably incomparable 30 minute drive to see his wife at their home. That is textbook whataboutism, where you pivot to suggesting your political enemy did the same. However, just because you compare two politicians - as I did - doesn't make it a whataboutism. Especially when you brought the guys up, not me. I'm not deflecting criticism of Trudeau being bad by saying whatabout Kenney he was even worse. I'm saying Trudeau has done a good job, unlike Kenney, and is being rewarded with good job approval numbers, unlike Kenney. That's an unfavorable comparison for Kenney, but it isn't a whataboutism.

Basically, you will be a much better poster if you drop the whataboutisms.

Ill work on the Whataboutisms

As well if I had to give Trudeau a grade on Covid it would be a C or D and the reasons would be.
Also I would say the government needs to update CERB, CEBA that you cannot get the $1000 if have to quarantine after you travel out of the country or a province that has a 14 day quarantine if you leave that province

Positives

• CERB and CEBA
• Payroll Protection
• Got the money out quickly and pretty seemless
• Messaging on Masks
• Mortgage 6 month delays (was a bank program but have to assume the Government had some direction in this

Negatives

• Should have used the Canada Emergency Act
• Rent/Lease Protection Program was a total failure and took to long to fix
• Health Minister Failed in her job. Should have talked about Health
• Health Minister Lied to CDN's about masks early on
• Slow to react but pretty much that applies to every country

As I have said earlier to early to judge Vaccine distribution.

This is brilliant:



I believe if they can't show good judgment away from the legislature, what's to say they can do it on the job?

Good riddance.