And they are still in the middle of an energy crises....

Feel free pal, there's a main breaker in your basement and a gas shut off.

Sometimes it feels like he was a time traveler.

Uke and bobo Fett, are you?

Oh great, Shifty is subtweeting again

Well they all do make a point

And this is the ideological drive that makes those on the left then reverse engineer what they believe can force this to happen.

So in uke's mind (and he has stated it as clear and laughed at those who don't see it), if you can prevent Cdn Pipelines, that raises costs, and thus makes less people use Oil and Gas and thus cut worldwide consumption. We now have a better, cleaner world. Voila. He fixed it via winning the war against Cdn pipelines.


But what is the reality position?

- The actual reality of the situation is the CDN O&G still makes it to market via trucks and rail and thus pollutes MORE.
- The reality is that Russian and other O&G now with the higher prices can fill any gap and travel much further and pollute more to do so
- the reality is that other ethical issues (Russia and SA) get empowered as they are made wealthier.


But uke says, ya but we won, we stopped the Cdn pipelines and kept that money out of Cdn citizen hands and stopped our local O&G industry taking a big step towards being cleaner! That is our win. And then he laughs at you and says you don't understand basic economics if you don't agree.

LIES.

Quote it or STFU.

By the way, I don't say "lies" easily. Here is the last post:

You might just have gotten confused and imagined I made an argument I didn't make. I can give you benefit of the doubt at first. But when you just repeatedly double down on the same claim, despite being clearly refuted, you are doing nothing but lying.

Was this unclear earlier that could have even led to an initial confusion prior to the lying by Cuepee? Hardly. This is my first reply to Cuepee:
This entire thing is a fabrication of Cuepee's mind. And his refusal to acknowledge that he is arguing against a strawman is now far far far into the blatantly lying territory.

I am not to sure of this as you have a limited supply of rail cars and transport trucks. You will still maximize how much you can get out of the ground but if you had a pipeline you could increase that capacity. As well with pipelines you expand your markets as well .

The problem still is the fact Trans Mountain is approved yet it is still taking a while to build . Eco Terrorism encouraged by folks like David Suzuki are a problem as well .

Plain and simple Justin Trudeaus carbon tax will have zero effect on the World Climate Change Situation. The reality is we have to many people on this planet and that number is growing at a rate the planet can not sustain. THe only thing that may bail us out is technology and carbon capture or Aliens

Though the way Putin is going this planet may end in a nuclear holocaust

April 1 st is an appropriate day as on April Fools a fool will raise the carbon tax again.

For sure. In 2020 rail was something like 4% of exports and trucking was nonexistent. Cuepee's terrible economic idea that it will just come out somehow anyways is wrong. But I'm broadly speaking not addressing his many basic errors while he is egregiously lying about what my position is.

I am not sure what you are not sure of?

Sure you can slow down Cdn oil getting to market but that is not driving the demand. The world does not suddenly use less because Cdn product is slowed. As you see in the US, they just make up the gap with Russian and other product. Other nations ramp up when Cdn's refuse to do so.

Cdn activists would shut down all of Canadas supply if they could, tomorrow. They would claim that a win. They would think they had just helped the environment. The reality is Russia, and other forms like US fracking would fill the void and even as those methods ramped up and polluted more and caused more ethical issues, the Cdn activists would be trumpeting a win.

A win how? Against whom?

You are not going to fix the market by impacting CDn supply. It is a fallacy or fairy tale belief.

You need to impact demand. Perhaps what Canada should do is require every singly new home to install one or more battery wall's, attached to a solar panel(s) as part of the permitting. By day the battery walls charge up and the house is run at night by the battery walls. Or in surge times.

I argued in the BFi how such a plan could really help Texas, in their unplanned for peak need times (severe heat or cold) where they could take some of the load off the grid by having all the homes tied into a smart network where certain areas could be rotated on and off the grid for periods.

FLOL at my "basic error" while you live in a fantasy alternate reality ignoring this reality...



This is exactly what is wrong with the left and especially amongst academics on the left.

100% ideological based with zero connection to the reality on the ground and thus it is impossible to them to a pragmatic middle ground.

uke's answer?

Force more and more trucking and rail. That is the way to help the environment.

No, don't actually try to cut the emissions on the method it is sent.

Instead make the 'basic error' of putting all your arrows in the basket of reversing/stopping the Cdn product going to market. Turn a blind eye as Russian transports their product around the world to fill the gap we could fill with pipeline much cleaner.

but...but... uke says this is not how it is supposed to work.

If you can block Cdn pipelines and force up the price demand will drop and major producers will stop producing.

Oh wait, and then reality and not fiction kicks in...


So how is it that uke has everything backwards in his 'basic error'?

How is it that he does not understand the way to keep more of this shale and Russian oil from coming to market is to increase the supply of Cdn oil while at the same time making it as clean as possible?

Does uke's strategy of 'deny the Cdn pipelines to drive the price up, so that demand will fall' work in reality? or is Demand not being driven by supply, in any meaningful way that the CDN supply can impact? Is demand coming from Consumer demand for energy where not enough comes from other sources???

Because if the latter and you slow CDN O&G to market all you are doing is denying CDN's the profits to further diversify their market from energy while ensuring we pollute more while enriching Russia and giving big Shale Interests the type of profits they need to ensure they can drill even as prices lower.

Seems like a lose, lose for Canada but also a lose, lose for the environmentalist. But somehow they stick to this road regardless. Why?

Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies.

I've repeatedly challenged you to quote me saying this is my position. I've repeatedly told you it is not. I've repeatedly told you are lying about this.

Nevertheless, you persist with the lies.

It's very weird. You spend a lot of effort typing out these big posts trying to burn this false effigy you've constructed of me. It's got all the trappings of a conversation, like you pretending in your mind you are part of an actual dialogue. Yet the entire premise is just a pure fabrication.

More lies. Quote me saying this.

Do you support the any of the following Uke?
Trans Mountain Pipeline
Energy East Pipeline
Keystone
Pacific Trail Pipeline

I thought you'd already figured out my opinion?
You still standing by that?

Well If Cuepee and I have it wrong than please tell us what pipelines you do support?

He's openly cheered when keystone was cancelled ITT. He's against Trudeau purchasing Trans Mountain. He openly cheered when a climate change extremist was selected as the minister of environment because he "might have what it takes". He can attempt to back peddle but anyone that's been around this thread knows his position.

No. I'm sorry, but I'm not playing either of your games. Cuepee has completely concocted a fake effigy he is trying to burn down. You have made utterly disgusting accusations you seem desperate to ignore as if you didn't say them. Neither of you get off that easily. If you want to actually engage in a conversation that is going to be quite a bit more nuanced and complicated than these trivial takes thus far, you have to take a ****ing iota of responsibility for the bullshit you are saying first.

In short, why on earth would I buy into your framing and play 20 questions with the guy who says this:

It baffles me as well. Its a simple question pick the pipelines you support. Hey if its none than its none.

For someone that supports Trans right and the LGQBY2S causes which I do as well you think he would be for CDN oil over the countries we currently import from that have a reputation for prisoning or killing those groups.

I saw that there were protesters lined up chanting Fxxk Justin Trudeau when he arrived in Europe.

It really gets easier if you treat them for the cartoons they try to be instead of actual humans. Your approach gives a semblance of value to anything they have to say, and being blunt - I disagree with that approach. Allow me to give you a different way to handle interacting with people like this. Offer them a video like the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D_eAtU4_DA

and ask them who they think the hero is in the video. It is much more enjoyable. Trust me as I have quite a bit more experience dealing with middle age+ derps being derps. Have them play your game instead of playing their game.

You really don't want to even acknowledge you said it, do you?

I'll tell you what. I at least stand by my statements. I'd never say something like this:
and then run away with my tail between my legs refusing to address it.

No I do think your detest for Alberta goes that far. I think you have very little sympathy for an oil worker that loses his job due to the federal governments policies.

The thing is unlike you I can call out Jason Kenney as quickly as I do Justin Trudeau

The problem is you are unwilling to acknowledge any conversation or question that goes against your narrative.