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Think he is just willing to bet that the country with the better health care infrastructure, that is also managing it properly (both the medical side and government funding side) will fare better than the mess that is the USA, but you can always base the difference on BMI if you prefer. Perhaps Trump will have a bigly suggestion this weekend on what to take to lower BMI, while pondering a May 1 grand opening. Can't hurt, nothing to lose.

All the best.

NZ death/million is 0.4 and Canadas is 14 (and rising). So by this logic, NZ must have at least 35x better health care infrastructure and management than Canada.

All the best.

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04-10-2020 , 02:09 PM

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People that dont have health Insurance in the US will have the medical bills covered by the federal government.

Is that finalized ? How about the ones with a co pay. Not all the companies agreed to waive everything.

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NZ death/million is 0.4 and Canadas is 14 (and rising). So by this logic, NZ must have at least 35x better health care infrastructure and management than Canada.

All the best.

NZ doesn't border the Petri dish called the USA ran by a bafoon without universal healthcare.

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No kidding. A good chunk of the cases here were from people coming back from the US or visiting from the US.

Ideally the border will be closed until a vaccine is discovered, otherwise all the church going faithful will want to be visiting here May 1st when the US opens up again.

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Is that finalized ? How about the ones with a co pay. Not all the companies agreed to waive everything.

Pretty sure they announced the other day during the press conference they would cover all uninsured. I have friends that are nurses here in Alberta. From the stories I have heard there is no way majority of the US is as bad as it is here right now.

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Alberta is a leader in testing and seems to be on top of things

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04-10-2020 , 06:49 PM

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If you look at his posting history it appears he is a MAGA wearing Trump supporter, which is rare, though does exist in Canada. I saw a house with a Trump flag earlier this year, and it made me chuckle a bit. Perhaps it was that dude.

All of his posts have that approach, such as the following:

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Not going to argue this. Get rid of teachers unions and let the free market decide.

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Really, I've been enjoying the US's and they actually ease my anxiety about this situation more.I find they are more informative of what they are doing to combat the virus and the experts speak a lot more.

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Lol yes all things trump have to be bad!

so best to take them with that context.

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Alberta is a leader in testing and seems to be on top of things

Yeah not sure what that has to do with testament of infected people. If cost isn't an issue nobody would pick getting treatment in Canada over the US.

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You probably would not. Most Canadians would, although many of the hallway spaces that some US patients are in have a nice view of the refrigerated trailers nearby, so that is festive. The ER rooms in the US are a mess as that is where all the uninsured go for all types of treatments, and that puts a strain on their system.

Seems you think the US is superior at everything, you should consider moving there when the border opens up again. Land of the free (except if you get sick).

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No Canadians that can, prefer the US. https://www.google.com/amp/s/toronto...new-report/amp

Not everything, but their health care and system of government is. I've thought about moving, who knows I might have to when this is all over. I always said if I won the lottery Tampa Bay is where I would move.

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Yeah not sure what that has to do with testament of infected people. If cost isn't an issue nobody would pick getting treatment in Canada over the US.

I don't really understand this comment. It's true that millionaires can buy a higher quality of treatment, the biggest factor being able to eliminate wait times to get say a new knee or hip. But cost IS an issue for most of us. Canadian doctors are, in general, extremely competent. For instance, at no point did it cross my mind that for the multiple surgeries and radiation I had for my cancer that i would be better off in NYC than Toronto. Perhaps if i had unlimited money I could have paid for literally the best in the world, but realistically for a middle class person I got extremely good, wordclass care. And I didn't pay a dime.

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No Canadians that can, prefer the US. https://www.google.com/amp/s/toronto...new-report/amp

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The federal agency wasn’t able to provide a breakdown of patients seeking medically-necessary procedures and those leaving Canada for cosmetic surgery

My guess here is that most of this is wait-time issue, not thinking US doctors are, for instance, more likely to save your life than a Canadian doctor. But you can fly down, get your cataracts removed or knee replaced or boobs done, and fly back over a weekend.

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Well, that article is not as powerful as you think, as a good chunk of those procedures are likely ones that are not particularly critical, and those that can afford to buy it in the US will opt to do it as mentioned in the prior posts to save time. The flip side is that a lot of Americans come to Canada to buy certain prescriptions. The article did not talk about that aspect, or the shortages some border pharmacies had due to Americans. Think Bernie led a group here once as well.

You seem to be fully on board the Trump train, so perhaps moving down there would be best for you when possible. Stay healthy would be my advice if you do move.

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Agreed I have had 12 surgeries in my life and many elective and the wait times were not bad. I had a retinal Detachment and was on the table hours after it was discovered.

I just recently sold a Luxury home via Facetime to a Neuro Surgeon in Pittsburgh who couldn't work anymore for the profit driven hospitals and came to Canada

You realize most doctors are not in it for the money and yes you are correct if you want a new hip or knee and have money traveling for it is your best course of action. That is mainly due to our aging population

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Lol people that can 'afford' quicker wait times just go to other countries and pay them money

I know several people that go to Mexico for dental work

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Dying american's last words:who's going to pay for it?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/healt...rnd/index.html

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Lol people that can 'afford' quicker wait times just go to other countries and pay them money

I know several people that go to Mexico for dental work

That is one way we could improve our system. Lets say you need a knee replacement surgery and Alberta Health's cost is $14,500 and waiting list is one year. Well you can get it done in the Grand Cayman for $17,500 allow that individual to claim to AHC for the $14,500. Yes only the rich can do this but you create more spaces for others that cant. I understand why you can not allow for profit in Canada.

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Proud of Alberta for this: https://www.alberta.ca/release.cfm?x...89FB5277F1E7CA

Maybe one positive out of this whole situation is provinces will start working together for the good of the country. Start Manufacturing more and of course a few more pipelines.

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crises can show the best or worst in people. If Kenney and Ford are the two closest equivalents to Trump we have before the crisis, they have both risen to the occasion in comparison to trump

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crises can show the best or worst in people. If Kenney and Ford are the two closest equivalents to Trump we have before the crisis, they have both risen to the occasion in comparison to trump

Yeah not a fair comparison at all. Being the Premier of a province in a country of 30 million people is a bit different than being the President of a country of 300 million and 50 states. But maybe next time just say thanks good job Alberta. Rather than trying to make some back handed compliment that atleast they are better than Trump.

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Saying someone is better than Trump does not, in and by itself, qualify as an actual compliment.

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crises can show the best or worst in people. If Kenney and Ford are the two closest equivalents to Trump we have before the crisis, they have both risen to the occasion in comparison to trump

I think all the Premiers and their staff have done a great job. I think many compare Ford and Kenney to a conservative agenda and thus Trump. Keep in mind Trump is not a true conservative at all.

If you had to ask me the people that have not stepped up in this crisis and should be accountable. Trudeau, Tam and Peter Mckay

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what do you have against tam?

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what do you have against tam?

She wrote a paper/study in 2008 on the ongoing threat of such a virus coming from China that would cause the damage it does. She basically nailed everything that is happening now. She should have seen this coming and advised Trudeau in her position. Though maybe she did and Trudeau chose to ignore it. Than she should have gone public. Other than that she has been fine with her press conferences and telling us to wash our hands.

Also as for Mckay I thought it was irresponsible to fight against delaying the leadership vote. It actually cost him my vote in the leadership race and will vote for Erin Otoole

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The way I see this, basically every western country was significantly delayed in its response. There's a lot of reasons for this, and I suppose one can quibble about how much personal responsibility any individual politician has for that. However, over the last month I've been pretty impressed (particularly in comparison to the US situation) with basically all levels of government in canada and think they have all risen to the occasion.

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