The blue plan? It seems, that it is to paint conservative Joe Biden as a moderate turd and then use fear of trump to force voters they appear to need to eat it.

No one likes to identify as left wing because we fought a cold war not long ago and they don't want to be accused (be people like you) of not wanting a democratic form of government.

But on at least some of the issues that you consider 'far left' people are actually quite moderate (as in most support them) with.

I think The main difference we have is that I think the party that claims to represent the 90% of the people who aren't wealthy should move to pass legislation that's good for those people pro actively. You seem to think they should allow the media and corporate think tanks to control the narrative and then react. I guess if I were on the dole getting donor money I'd feel that way, but as a voter....no.

There should be an opposition party.
The establishment Dems are anything but.

Just sayin'.

dude you support Trump. You seemingly honestly think "fake news" is something other than the obvious, other than what Trump told Leslie Stahl it was. Look, yes, peace out brother and one love let's just agree to disagree on whether you are a total f-in moron.

dude you support Trump. Congrats to you on your 2016 victory and best of luck in 2020.

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What's up with Bernie voting for the largest corporate bailout in US history. $2.2 trillion going mostly to corporations. I was starting to feel the Bern but feel I just got Berned. I was under the impression that Bernie was the left's version of Ron Paul: an ideologue, but a man of character and principles. Ron Paul would have never voted for a bill like that which is against his principles.

Maybe I'm wrong about Bernie's principles but I found it strange especially at a time when Donald Trump has shifted his strategy to put corporate profits ahead of human lives. That was the time to make a stand and for Bernie to make his mark but instead he just got in line with the rest of the lackeys "Yes President. What ever you want President"

Hell, they just bailed out Boeing, one of the most successful large corporations in the US which is a cash producing juggernaut and earlier this week the CEO of Boeing said that Boeing will do just fine without a bailout. You can't make this **** up.

I mean, we agree. hell, Kelhus and Luckbox agree too. (and trust me it really sucks to admit Kel is right). but the modern Dem party and the modern liberals support every policy of the Republicans but they just dont want to appear racist.

they certainly dont mind being racist. they dont mind closing off their schools and redlining and segregating. but they dont want to say it out loud.

I used to get so mad about the whole "virtue signaling" accusation. it pissed me off bc it was so absurd. no I was not virtue signaling, I truly believed what I said. but I certainly realize why *******s like Kel and JV thought everyone was. its bc they were. esp if they are #resistance #voteBlueNoMatterWho Dems.

From CNN bullet points :

-Direct cash payment to individuals (means tested)
-Student loan payments suspended
-Historic boost for ue benefits (600 extra a week for 4 months ) possibly for an extra 13 weeks and including many people not covered normally
-Hospitals are given money and medicare payments are boosted for treating cv19
-Federal aid for gig workers
-Protections against foreclosures and evictions
-Funding for food assistance

So he should vote against that in a time of crisis to spite the corporations ?
Bernie always puts people first and he always wants to help those in need.
It's his biggest weakness really. He's an honest to goodness nice guy.

Besides, he's not the deciding vote. He would just look like an attention seeker.

1200 bucks. Whoopdee frickin doo. How's that gonna do someone in NYC much good? Meanwhile the bulk of the 2.2 TRILLION is going to corporations. Good work. Trump's stock market is up 18% in 3 days thanks to this bill. Good work on getting him re-elected. He was already riding high because of his press briefings but now you pretty much served the election to him on a platter.

Comparing Sanders to Ron Paul seems pretty apropos. Neither are really as radical as they are made out to be but give people someone they can rally behind who won't really change anything or say anything too threatening. Paul brought us the tea party and Sanders will just encourage massive spending if his movement is ever "successful".

Just read poll workers in Florida tested positive. Wow, totally unforeseeable, huh? All the voters are advised to take appropriate measures. So comforting.

So Bernie is handing Trump the election even though Biden is the front runner ?

LOL

If this gets signed into law then yeah Bernie, Pelosi, Schumer etc all just gave a Trump a huge W. In a year or two people will be talking about how terrible of a deal this was but by then it will be too late. Trump doesn't need to save the economy. He just needs to keep it going until November. If he does that, then he'll be a huge favorite to win and the end result of the bill (whether it's good or bad) will be completely meaningless in regards to his re-election.

Democrats should have fought him on this. I guess they wanted to take the high road and not play politics on this bill but it's a pretty massive error to not play politics in an election year. This bill has huge political ramifications.

Couldn't agree more! Enough of this two party tango...!

If people identify as moderate, but support free public college and government ensuring health care coverage, who do you think they are likely to support for president in a Democratic primary, Biden or Bernie?

I think the party should claim to represent 100% of Americans, not 90%. I don't think the media controls the narrative - in the age of social media the ability of editors to control rather than follow the moods and impulses of the online seems pretty small to me. I think the causal importance of narrative is wildly overrated by most of the voluble online Bernie supporters. The importance of think tanks is primarily their impact on political and government elites, not on public opinion.

Okay.

Right. So Biden and the Democratic party is worse than Trump and the GOP. Kelhus, Luckbox, and JV are correct about the Democratic Party, they are just virtue signalling and are actually racist hypocrites. I mean, I disagree with it, but I understand your view of my party, and as you say, it isn't unique, but the same thing I've been hearing from Republicans and other opponents for years. So why as a primary voter should I care about your opinion of Joe Biden? You obviously are not a Democrat. You liked Bernie and so were willing to hold your nose and vote for him as a Democrat, but you obviously don't like or care about other Democrats and have no loyalty or desire to work together with us except purely for your own goals.

Of course, if you are an American, I hope you vote for our candidate in November. I think as time passes you'll be reminded how bad Trump is and when you are less motivated to troll Democrats the above won't be your considered opinion. But I view our disagreement as more a matter of fundamental ideological disagreement, not a matter of internal party negotiation.

Well, I definitely wouldn't say the Democratic Party is as bad as the Republican Party of today. The Republican Party today has become extremely cynical and just straight fleecing the public without even much of a pretense of doing otherwise.

I would say the Democrats, much like Republicans, completely buy into using identity based politics to divide and conquer the working class, to maintain control. But there is some concrete differences of what they intend to do with the power. I mean, energy and climate policy alone is probably enough for me to go D over R today. That being said, I think the entire identity group focused moralizing part of the platform is insincere nonsense.

I don't spend much time criticizing the far right posters because I don't think they even believe their own BS, and it is mostly just trolling, so what is the point? I think Trumpkins really do treat this from a WWE perspective, where they are the heel and love leaning into it with no shame.

What do you think of Fox news and conservative talk radio's effect on public (or more correctly partisan) opinion?

Have you talked to many average #Resistance democrats? (not investment bankers) Do they often talk intelligently/in an informed manner on any topic that hasn't appeared in media?

The Republican Party is fleecing the public to the bone and trolling them in the process, but you don't like the way the powerless Democrats talk??

Did you watch the two videos I posted in my last post? He made the bill better and he pretty much had no choice but to vote for it bc they would have passed it without him eventually. He's literally fighting out there alone against both the Repubs and the Dems. But I agree, what's going on right now is absolutely disgusting.

I wonder why?



Your times up Biden.

Dems are fawked. They chose a guy with full blown dementia. GJ, GE.

I normally lean left too.

DNC has blood on their hands. this will cost them FL. and deservedly so.

but Joe Biden's climate and energy policy is just as bad as the Repubs. He is massively on the take for energy companies. so was Hillary.

as usual, the Dems talk the right game or at least avoid saying the explicitly Bad Things but turn around and do whatever the **** the evil elites want them to. so the end result is basically the same.