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05-19-2026 , 11:00 PM

#73526

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

I'll never understand why people buy that stuff. It's not even slightly believable.

The Bible itself explains why that is the case:

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.- 1 Corinthians 1:18

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05-19-2026 , 11:03 PM

#73527

Gorgonian

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

The Bible itself explains why that is the case:

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.- 1 Corinthians 1:18

I couldn't care less what the bible says buddy.

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05-19-2026 , 11:06 PM

#73528

Elway

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

The Bible itself explains why that is the case:

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.- 1 Corinthians 1:18

The “Jesus died on the cross for our sins” part loses me.

It’s bizarre that 6 million Jews can be killed by Nazis and will “burn in hell” but if a Nazi gives his life to Jesus before he dies he will be saved.

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05-19-2026 , 11:08 PM

#73529

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

It fails even the most basic thought experiments. Consider the claim that you can go to heaven and live in eternal bliss.

What if I get there and my wife and son didn't make it there? Are we seriously trying to tell me that I will be blissful in heaven while my closest family members are being tortured for eternity? It doesn't pass even the first serious critical thought.

I don't claim to have THE answer to your excellent question.

But since we're considering engaging Thought Experiments (TM Pending):

One possibility is that in Heaven God removes all our memories of our lost love one's.

Since we're told we have nothing but joy in Heaven, the 'purged memories' idea solves the problem you posed and to the best of my knowledge doesn't contradict any Scriptures.

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05-19-2026 , 11:12 PM

#73530

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

I couldn't care less what the bible says buddy.

Noted, buddy!

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05-19-2026 , 11:16 PM

#73531

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by Elway

One's eternal destiny isn't predicated on how an individual dies. Everyone dies at some point. Where will YOU spend eternity??

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05-19-2026 , 11:19 PM

#73532

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

If you've been really good, you can request a +1 or +2 from St. Peter at the door. Might need to slip him a twenty.

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05-19-2026 , 11:26 PM

#73533

Gorgonian

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

One possibility is that in Heaven God removes all our memories of our lost love one's.

That would seal the deal for me then. Not interested in forgetting they exist or having my memory wiped. I would never agree to that. My wife and children are the most important thing to me. I would think less of anyone that would take that deal, frankly.

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05-19-2026 , 11:27 PM

#73534

Gorgonian

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

If you've been really good, you can request a +1 or +2 from St. Peter at the door. Might need to slip him a twenty.

A twenty? In this economy?

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05-19-2026 , 11:43 PM

#73535

jjjou812

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Man, at some point you just have to face the fact that you're far too old to be watching South Park.

Since he created his online personality and he believes he serves as very own superhero, he has constantly rely on cartoon clips to express himself and his principles He doesn’t realize he is actually the forum’s Yosemite Sam.

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05-19-2026 , 11:46 PM

#73536

jjjou812

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

So you were dinner at the Past Lives Pavillon too?

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05-20-2026 , 12:05 AM

#73537

Land O Lakes

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

'COMPLEX-QUESTION FALLACY' ALERT!!!

I don't have disdain for gay people.

I suppose I should have more disdain for folks like you who lie about me and other folks in this forum.

Maybe I'm wrong. I think if we did a poll, >50% of respondents would consider you to have disdain for gays. What do you think?

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05-20-2026 , 02:55 AM

#73538

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by Gorgonian

If the Naturalistic Worldview were true, then you and your beloved wife and children would be of no more (or less) ultimate value than the vomit your pet dog spews all over your living room carpet.

Fortunately, you and your beloved wife and children are made in the image of God!!

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05-20-2026 , 03:00 AM

#73539

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes

Maybe I'm wrong. I think if we did a poll, >50% of respondents would consider you to have disdain for gays. What do you think?

'AD POPULUM FALLACY' ALERT!!!

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05-20-2026 , 03:21 AM

#73540

checkraisdraw

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

What is an ultimate value? Is it even something that makes sense? I know that his wife and children could have value to him, and a dog’s vomit wouldn’t have value to him, so if preferential value is all that can be accommodated under naturalism it wouldn’t follow that relative to his values that they would have the same value.

You’re presenting it as an internal critique but it doesn’t sound like one. It sounds like what you’re saying is that you need the God value to have ultimate value, which obviously that wouldn’t exist under naturalism.

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05-20-2026 , 03:43 AM

#73541

geezerchess

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

I see this as an example of the classic intrinsic versus extrinsic value distinction playing itself out.

That is, do persons have value by virtue of being persons (i.e. instrinsic value), or do they merely have instrumental value in that they can have value to someone else (i.e. extrinsic value).

In the Christian Worldview all people are made in the Image of God (i.e. people have a body, soul and spirit), and as such have instrinsic value.

In other words, in a Naturalistic Worldview one can certainly have sentiments, but as such they are first-person subjective.

(More later....getting late!!)

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05-20-2026 , 04:45 AM

#73542

checkraisdraw

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Originally Posted by geezerchess

I prefer the terminology “stance independent” vs “stance dependent” over intrinsic vs extrinsic. Because what you just offered as the explanation of why a human is valuable but dog vomit is not is just a description of humans. “Humans have the image of God”. Then you need a connecting premise to get to a normative statement. “Having the image of God is valuable”. But what kind of value? You still need the description of what you mean by value. So is it stance dependent value or stance independent value? Because the intrinsic or extrinsic value doesn’t seem to bridge the gap of proving moral realism.