Awesome. Just a note tho, Its just a thread going back and forth, between BGP claiming the ukraine/russia war doesn't fulfil this definition:
Since its so obvious, and they don't like any posts that spin the narrative against Russia being the horrible aggressor against victim ukraine.....BGP just counter floods with what is obviously not true.

Basically I'm saying in a fair and proper dialogue...we need external help to get by it. As if we would do a poll..... "Is ukraine/russia a proxy for Nato vs Russia". Yes defo, yes basically, only loosely, not really, not at all.

Because our red/blue arguing isn't moving forward.

How do you not get that you believing something to be obvious doesn’t make it so? For someone begging for balance you are in complete denial of your own bias.

I have no intention of trying to resolve this disagreement between you and BGP.

Well of course, thats why we appeal to the community for arbitration on such disagreements right?

It would hardly be considered fair if it were up to anyways ;p No we would want to poll the community and ask if the ukraine russia war fits this:

I’ll save you the effort. You’re going to have Victor, Deuces, and maybe microbet and Pointlesswords on your side and literally every other person in the forum against.

I don't think so. I think most believe this definition fits the ukraine russia war:

But my claim is only that its a political leaning to think its not a proxy war, so if the community splits on it, that supports my claim. also I don't really trust your assertions on what people believe, thats kinda the issue right?

Why do we have to resolve this question? You believe one thing. BGP believes something else. Neither of you will ever convince the other. Move on.

Well, no offense (and I mean that) but I think you’ve demonstrated again and again that your beliefs are pretty untethered from reality.

If the community is split on it it only proves that political bias is affecting one or both side’s interpretation of events not which side is right or which side is biased, in other words it doesn’t prove anything about whether a proxy war actually exists.

Because BGP has conspired with the other moderators and non-impartial posters to victimise and dehumanise button using circular implications.

Am I doing it right?

Don't forget chez, he sides with the self-evidently dogshit view pretty much every time.

D2 sounds right to me

As far as I’m aware chez has been pretty inline with the consensus on Ukraine but I don’t remember a specific take on is/isn’t a proxy war. I also disagree with the quality of chez’s opinions (that I’m aware of).

I would rather spend my time appealing to the community (and mods) to remove the more cancerous elements in this forum for the health of its body. The ignore button only works so well.

I can't see how it's a proxy war.

but in D2's defense he has some very strong points as well.

It balances the idea that's it purple to think it's not a a proxy war.

If it were established that part of the community at least, sees it as a proxy war it would expose a political bias.

Their view seems slightly impartial comparatively. I wonder what they would say given the definition I posed.

Chez did u speak in regard to the definition I posted?

Would that be some sort of revelation? Political bias is inevitable in a politics forum.

This serves as a summary of the entire Politics forum.

Egads pinstripe pariah. There can't be bias on a political forum, can there?

Didn't you learn your lesson about polls with the whole trudeau going to see Barbie thing where you got your little poll and overwhelmingly lost it?

This is either a rhetorical question, or you really haven't been paying attention.

He thought he was setting us up for a second great reveal, like he pulled with the Barbie poll.

Wow, that was quite a performance. In response, I'll roll out the relevant parts from my post from earlier:

This has sure been a great demonstration of the bolded.

Maybe in the future, rather than spending 50 posts assuming people are pretending to not understand you in order to dehumanize you, you could consider that you're just not being clear. When people ask who is doing something, and you respond with someone who isn't even capable of doing that thing, they might not realize that was your response.