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I hadn't posted a joke on the subject but this is exactly my assumption as well. It's complete and utter nonsense that people on the left are not critical of these things and in reality they are often the loudest critics. You seem to be as great an exponent of making unfounded criticisms based on ideology than those you constantly rail against.

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07-22-2019 , 11:00 AM

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It’s like a surprise game show and if you don’t ring the buzzer you must like cruel behaviorism and religious (theocratic) authoritarianism. Surprise mutha****a, everyone loses except the host, who is just...

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07-22-2019 , 11:03 AM

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Well, I am seeing a lot of joking and dissembling that I don't recall seeing in discussions about conditions for immigrants at the border. In those discussions I remember people being very willing and able to explicitly spell out the behavior they find abhorrent, and dont remember the topic being treated so jovially.

They're in dunking on you mode.

and spanktehbadwookie makes a good point. You're effectively attacking them and people generally don't respond well to being attacked.

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07-22-2019 , 11:05 AM

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They're in dunking on you mode.

Yes. It is a defensive reflex to dissemble and avoid addressing the topic seriously, because they sense their tribal convictions and loyalties may be challenged if they do.

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07-22-2019 , 11:08 AM

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You have to give Mahr some credit for recognizing the untapped market of mediocre Libertarian white guys who need to be told how independent they are. He never got anywhere as a comic but he was a pioneer in the art of chuffing about liberals decades before podcasts even existed.

Nice try but Bill Maher is on your team.

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07-22-2019 , 11:09 AM

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Kelhus, you have the integrity and courage to admit you were wrong. They don't. The end.

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07-22-2019 , 11:09 AM

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Yes. It is a defensive reflex to dissemble and avoid addressing the topic seriously, because they sense their tribal convictions and loyalties may be challenged if they do.

It could be but in this case I think they're mostly just enjoying it for it's own sake

although as I added, they feel a bit attacked and responding in the way many do when they feel attacked even if the attack is illfounded.

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07-22-2019 , 11:17 AM

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I'm not even really a lefty, the premise was just laughable.

I'm usually pages behind as well. (Just trying to bring a little fun!)

Kel,

You not seeing any difference between a US/UK political forum discussing domestic issues as opposed to wasting time soapboxing on self-evident stuff elsewhere in the world is something else.

Forums are for discussion obviously. There's no discussion there!

It goes back to you thinking this is all about virtue signaling or something. No signaling over X = X is not virtuous, is that it?

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07-22-2019 , 11:20 AM

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Nice try but Bill Maher is on your team.

He can't be, because Bill Maher is an Islamophobe. That is how identity politics works. You stray from the herd on any topic, you are branded a bigot, and you are out.

No way you will ever get Trolly or Fly to accept Bill Maher is on their team.

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07-22-2019 , 11:28 AM

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Regardless of how he votes, does anyone (including you, Kelhus) dispute that Maher is a huge *******?

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07-22-2019 , 11:30 AM

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They're in dunking on you mode.

and spanktehbadwookie makes a good point. You're effectively attacking them and people generally don't respond well to being attacked.

The attack is quite a confusing one. The audience is being persuaded to believe some very unpleasant things about some people based on what amounts to a now repeated opinion being claimed as a belief.

It’s more like strange fiction than opinion or belief.

Some people who apparently are on a “tribe” together and seem to share a common want to protect people from inhumanity with asylum and refuge secretly support inhumanity because some screen name on the Internet made some posts and said so. The incongruity reveals humor.

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07-22-2019 , 11:36 AM

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Regardless of how he votes, does anyone (including you, Kelhus) dispute that Maher is a huge *******?

This is why no one wants to claim him.

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07-22-2019 , 11:36 AM

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I also find it a little amusing that all the usual suspects that are pretty quick to shoot me down for everything are napping this discussion out. Seems like this forum possibly has a lot of fans of forced marriage, honor violence, child marriage and female genital mutilation.

lol well named. lol this forum.

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07-22-2019 , 11:40 AM

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I believe they can't bring themselves to say they dont support those things. Because they are concerned about how it would be a betrayal to the tribe. That is the reason everyone is joking and dissembling.

It's pretty easy to prove you wrong, Kelhus.

Although the law changed in 2018, I thought Saudi Arabia's historical prohibition on women driving was an outrage.

No joking. No dissembling. And no one will call me Islamophobic for holding this belief, except as a joke.

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07-22-2019 , 11:43 AM

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One of the funniest parts of the Trumpism of reactionary thought is that they still like to call the left "snowflakes" but they also harbor grudges by proxy for getting called "mean, nasty things". For YEARS. He's never met Bill Maher, and let's be honest, he doesn't actually know what Maher said or did to get criticized.

But Kelhus' feelings are still hurt over that ****.

"Snowflakes" and "safe spaces" veered 180 degrees into the need for "civility" as quickly as a snap of the fingers the moment AOC got elected.

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07-22-2019 , 11:44 AM

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Regardless of how he votes, does anyone (including you, Kelhus) dispute that Maher is a huge *******?

I don't know exactly what word you were going to put in there. But considering there are a lot of bad people in the world that do a lot of bad things, and to the best of my knowledge noone has ever accused Bill Maher of anything but thought crimes, this seems kind of harsh (whatever word you had typed in).

Can you defend your strong negative opinion of him by citing anything he has done or said?

I don't know Maher that well, or know of anything he has done or said that makes him a particularly bad human being so deserving of scorn and derision. Maybe you can enlighten me?

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07-22-2019 , 11:45 AM

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This is why no one wants to claim him.

And why does anyone have to claim him?

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07-22-2019 , 11:46 AM

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I can normally understand where Kelhus coming from with posts, even though I largely disagree with most of them. This stuff is completely absurd though. The idea that people on the left don't criticise these things is simply delusional and doesn't have even the slightest bit of grounding in reality.

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07-22-2019 , 11:47 AM

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lol well named. lol this forum.

For the record: I think kelhus' argument is kinda silly. Or more like trying way too hard to make a point which might otherwise have some modest value. Others have written better responses.

For the other part of the record: I also don't want to live in Saudi Arabia.

I'd elaborate but I'm still finding my way home from Mrs. Well Named's birthday weekend in the mountains.

Hope your weekend was also enjoyable!

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07-22-2019 , 11:52 AM

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I don't know the guy, and I never said he was a murderer. When I watch him, he seems to be cultivating the image of a disagreeable know-it-all. So I credit him with actually resembling the image he works hard to create.

And his statements about vaccines were really dumb.

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07-22-2019 , 11:53 AM

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And why does anyone have to claim him?

No one does but your question is a good one.

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07-22-2019 , 11:57 AM

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Do you think such a high % of Muslims around the world having the following opinions to be outrageous?

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07-22-2019 , 11:58 AM

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I don't know the guy, and I never said he was a murderer. When I watch him, he seems to be cultivating the image of a disagreeable know-it-all. So I credit him with actually resembling the image he works hard to create.

And this statements about vaccines were really dumb.

He is a tv performer so I dont think that's counts as credit. Credit would be allowing that it's the image he is trying to portray on tv because the audience like it.

This is a general point about tv performers. I don't watch him.

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07-22-2019 , 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Willd

OK. Care to weigh in on whether the popular approval for Sharia law and death penalty for apostasy is something you find outrageous?

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07-22-2019 , 12:01 PM

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I still don't even know what word you were calling him. But this appears a little more measured, so maybe you are walking back whatever you initially said?

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