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I also find it a little amusing that all the usual suspects that are pretty quick to shoot me down for everything are napping this discussion out. Seems like this forum possibly has a lot of fans of forced marriage, honor violence, child marriage and female genital mutilation.

If it's what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.

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07-22-2019 , 10:17 AM

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I also find it a little amusing that all the usual suspects that are pretty quick to shoot me down for everything are napping this discussion out. Seems like this forum possibly has a lot of fans of forced marriage, honor violence, child marriage and female genital mutilation.

Solid read.

We're the silent majority.

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07-22-2019 , 10:21 AM

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If nothing else, it is nice for you guys to just finally take off the mask and glory in just how fake and politically motivated your morality really is.

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07-22-2019 , 10:24 AM

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If nothing else, it is nice for you guys to just finally take off the mask and glory in just how fake and politically motivated your morality really is.

This seems like very emotional, intersectional virtue signaling and ideological possession.

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07-22-2019 , 10:27 AM

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Solid read.

We're the silent majority.

Your being sarcastic, but you are more correct than you think you are. Most people are pretty much the same at the end of the day. And most moralizing is hypocritical self-indulgence.

This is true of most people in most places and times. For good or bad, as a species no matter how much we are able to change the world around us, inside nothing much has changed in the last 50,000 years or so.

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07-22-2019 , 10:33 AM

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Kelhus,

Do you honestly think anyone posting on this forum supports any of those things? Like I think pretty badly of you but even I don't have the bad faith in me to imagine you support that stuff.

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07-22-2019 , 10:34 AM

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Kelhus,

Do you honestly think anyone posting on this forum supports any of those things? Like I think pretty badly of you but even I don't have the bad faith in me to imagine you support that stuff.

I believe they can't bring themselves to say they dont support those things. Because they are concerned about how it would be a betrayal to the tribe. That is the reason everyone is joking and dissembling.

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07-22-2019 , 10:35 AM

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Your being sarcastic, but you are more correct than you think you are. Most people are pretty much the same at the end of the day. And most moralizing is hypocritical self-indulgence.

This is true of most people in most places and times. For good or bad, as a species no matter how much we are able to change the world around us, inside nothing much has changed in the last 50,000 years or so.

Yet you're bemoaning the lack of it over any and every thing.

If this thread became chock-full of complaints about the Islamic world (which would be weird), you could then just say: What, you don't care about the rainforests?

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07-22-2019 , 10:36 AM

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Well I'm joking because the premise is so utterly absurd. I don't speak for everyone (anyone) but I'm pretty confident in my assumption that that's why wookie trolley et al are joking too.

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07-22-2019 , 10:36 AM

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Well I'm joking because the premise is so utterly absurd. I don't speak for everyone (anyone) but I'm pretty confident in my assumption that that's why wookie trolley et al are joking too.

Joking about what? We are almost there. Come on, just say the words.

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07-22-2019 , 10:38 AM

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But apparently it needs to be on the record so

I tomdemaine absolutely abhor forced marriage, honor violence, child marriage and female genital mutilation. Anyone who practices such things is evil and should be physically prevented where possible and practical (ie we shouldn't invade places and kill millions of civilians to stop it) by violent means if necessary.

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07-22-2019 , 10:39 AM

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I'm not quite there yet.

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Joking about what? We are almost there. Come on, just say the words.

Joking about supporting that **** because it's so absurd that you would imagine anyone here supports it.

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btw tom,

You're out!

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07-22-2019 , 10:40 AM

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What a heck of a presupposition. Your only cite possible is that’s it’s just your belief , right? And aren’t you co-opting those traumatic events you invoke in order to propagate your beliefs?

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07-22-2019 , 10:40 AM

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Well, considering I can't get a single person to admit they are critical of any mainstream practices in the Muslim world, especially as it pertains to gender equity, it doesn't seem we have to worry too much about the thread becoming chock full of complaints.

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07-22-2019 , 10:42 AM

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btw tom,

You're out!

Time to join the intellectual dark web baby. My podcast is called "politically (in)correct" and my patreon is $5 a month. Can't wait for my NYT profile about how censored I am.

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07-22-2019 , 10:45 AM

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Fair enough. I do respect your willingness to leave the safety of the herd, even if I don't always (ever?) agree with your positions.

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07-22-2019 , 10:49 AM

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You may have noticed that making your views clear counts for a hill of bean when faced with tells, reasonable inference and the almighty bad faith. Obviously I believe you and fully agree (ditto for the rest of ya).

Also great to see you've retired the anti-joke thingy.

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07-22-2019 , 10:50 AM

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What a heck of a presupposition. Your only cite possible is that’s it’s just your belief , right? And aren’t you co-opting those traumatic events you invoke in order to propagate your beliefs?

Well, it is my belief shaped by a lifetime of empirical observation of how morality seems to function for most. I am not even sure it is that bad a thing, just human.

I am just continually amazed how culture and society work so well to make most people so absolutely sure their cultural norms are sensible and virtuous; when from the outside looking in it all seems so arbitrary, contradictary and capricious.

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07-22-2019 , 10:51 AM

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Fair enough. I do respect your willingness to leave the safety of the herd, even if I don't always (ever?) agree with your positions.

I rally think you'v picked a bad example here. No-one has any problem denouncing those things.

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07-22-2019 , 10:52 AM

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Time to join the intellectual dark web baby. My podcast is called "politically (in)correct" and my patreon is $5 a month. Can't wait for my NYT profile about how censored I am.

You will need a new location. "Social Justice" as a catchphrase isn't received very well in the IDW.

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07-22-2019 , 10:54 AM

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I rally think you'v picked a bad example here. No-one has any problem denouncing those things.

Well, I am seeing a lot of joking and dissembling that I don't recall seeing in discussions about conditions for immigrants at the border. In those discussions I remember people being very willing and able to explicitly spell out the behavior they find abhorrent, and dont remember the topic being treated so jovially.

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You made up a “virtue test” for people and think it’s their problem they don’t take it? No wonder you can’t seem to gain their information. It seems to be all about you and not about victims and survivors. Look at your message- you sent a dubious signal that no one cares about their situation just so you can suggest devious things about your rivals.

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07-22-2019 , 10:55 AM

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You will need a new location. "Social Justice" as a catchphrase isn't received very well in the IDW.

Ah but well off middle aged white men are the only truly oppressed people in modern society so true social justice means getting them whatever they want. I'm not entirely sure what they want just yet but I think it has mostly to do with being able to tell racist jokes without people groaning and rolling their eyes. Episode one (and 2-348 and 367-521 and 545+) of my podcast will largely deal with this heinous situation.

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