https://youtu.be/Mo1HaVN1Pt0

https://youtu.be/h4UqMyldS7Q

https://youtu.be/6rgStv12dwA

https://youtu.be/3KL9mRus19o

https://youtu.be/4vaN01VLYSQ

Just some more examples of music that has been WEAPONIZED against THE BLACKS that can be heard on CORPORATE RADIO. Nothing but negative messages fo shizzle.

Because racial bias has existed for a long time, and if anything has decreased, not increased. Imagine a chart that shows the after-tax income of two people over time. Imagine that one of them faces a much higher tax rate than the other, so that the two lines are far apart to begin with. If the tax rate is constant across time, but both individuals received the same percentage raises during the interval, then the lines would move following the same patterns, but remain far apart. The fact that the trends are the same does not mean that they have the same tax rate. In this analogy, racism is the tax.

To be clear, what I'm saying is that the data you presented is not strong evidence either way, because it can't account for enough variables. You're assuming that if racism is present it must have an increasing effect year over year. But I don't think that's true, and wouldn't expect it to be true. It's possible that absent various problems related to racism that racial disparities would be slowly diminishing, but that racism prevents that from happening. The data you're presenting is not evidence for that, but it's also not evidence against it.

If there was no racism now but there was in the past then you wouldn't expect relative levels of poverty across races to stay level, you would expect them to (very) gradually equalise to reflect overall proportion of the population. The fact that the ratio stays essentially constant implies that something is acting to maintain the status quo.

My argument is that the "something" is the system that makes it incredibly difficult for people to get out of poverty, regardless of race. The fact that intergenerational poverty is so prevalent means it is important to consider the factors that created the poverty disparity in the first place and that is inarguably racism. It stems from that that the current disproportionate number of black families in poverty stems directly from historic racism and the lack of social mobility possible within the system has maintained it.

Why do you think that this is something that should be so easily dismissed.
Do you deny completely that there is a nexus between the entertainment industry and Washington? Start here. It isn't just rap music.
Here actually Inside the LC: the strange but mostly true story of Laurel Canyon and the birth of the hippie generation
This piece has actually been pretty influential on me and should be required reading.

Affirmative action has done jack **** for the disproportion, neither has any other race based approaches. Maybe that's a clue you are targeting the wrong causative factor.

Who here claimed that affirmative action would be a cure all?

You claimed that positive and uplifting music doesn't get played. That is false. You claimed that rap music was a causative force for the situation of black people. You haven't posted anything to substantiate that.

Spend a couple days on those series of articles. It isn't about rap music but it is about the music industry. (Specifically the birth of the hippie movement where the argument is yes--cia plot. It is thoroughly researched). After I read the articles he turned it into a book which I haven't read.
If I overstepped a bit about positive music then ok. Minha culpa. (I'm hardly wrong though)
And I'll repost that article in the music thread since we have one even and we can talk about it there because it is really good.

This is what I’m talking about, my quote is not the ignoring your cite. It’s not even disagreeing with it. The underlying causes of those reasons you cite are poverty combined with other factors, of course, many of them are structural. The roots are complex, but racism is a significant factor in many of them, e.g. how the war on drugs was implemented and structural racism in the criminal justice system.

What do you mean by crack being culturally black? https://www.cjpf.org/who-uses-crack-cocaine-and-why Do you think those disproportionate incarceration rates impact the communities those people are taken from?

All of the crackheads I've known have been white. Small sample size. Every crackhead is literally nicknamed "crackhead" so we head crackhead Mike and crackhead Jen in my orbit when I was 19/20. The latter died in a car accident and I have no idea what became of the first guy but later his name changed to axehead Mike because somebody stuck an axe in his head apparently but he survived. He helped me change my rotors once and I bought him some beer and gave him $20.
I've known of some black crackheads and had at least one black guy offer to suck me for $10 so I can only assume..but never known any personally.

I love the idea of a kid in deep poverty thinking hmmm I was going to do some securities fraud but that's a white culture crime so I guess I'll join a gang.

Re: gangs, I’m gojng to guess that white participation in gangs increases where there are larger concentrations of white people. In addition, I would suspect that gang participation increases where there is concentrated poverty, a greater sense of isolation, and poor economic opportunities. I post on my phone, so looking up and including links is a pain in the ass. I’m pretty sure there is good information on this out there, though. The notion that poor white people don’t participate in street gangs is quite obviously false.

Wookie,

It isn’t clear to me that all those music choice you chose are positive and uplifting. For example, one could argue the fact Ice Cube didn’t have to murder anyone with his automatic weapon on this day is an indication of a dystopian culture where any given day it could be necessary.

I am guessing if you were to write a song about what constituted a good day in your life, it wouldn’t need to be said that not having to murder someone was a parameter that needed to be articulated, because it isn’t a reality.

Hey now, the NRA has assured us that using guns in self defense isn't murder at all, and also that using a gun in self defense does not even require firing it.

Who here claimed that someone here claimed that AA was a cure all?

The common thread here is Team YouTube refusing to answer basic questions about what they believe, even in a forum specifically designed to cater to them. What’s the point of posting here if you’re incapable of articulating what your views are?

That's a myth. Those same drug laws are being used to incarcerate white people for meth and opioids. The issue back in the 80's was meth, nor opioids were at epedemic levels they are today, while crack has receded.

https://thecrimereport.org/2018/02/2...n-jails-study/

From your link:


Yes, but not as much as if they are not incarcerated and allowed to keep committing crimes.

I have though, but you refuse to read them and want me to repeat myself. I'm not your personal YouTube account where you can demand playback of your favorite video. If you do not want to read my previous postings, that's your problem, not mine.

It seems you feel I owe you, in particular, something. I have not engaged you at all, other than to tell you I've answered your question in previous postings.

You claimed that affirmative action did nothing in a manner suggesting that would be shocking news to everyone here. Most liberals here think of it as at most too little too late.

Thanks for letting us know you aren’t going to contribute anything to the convo, A+ post.

Throwing together a string of multi-syllable words doesn't do what you think it does.

There is not a similar percentage of the white population that engages in gang activity, as blacks. As always though, you folks take that to mean white people don't participate.

Saying AA did jack **** is considered to be a way to present shocking news?

What's your problem? I'm having back and forth conversation with multiple people....and you seem butt hurt that I wont engage the same twenty questions with you that I've answered already. Get over it. You don't want to waste your time to read my prior post, and I don't feel like wasting my time repeating myself to you. But you seem to expect me to waste my time for you.

Watch this:

I think systemic racism is primarily to blame for black poverty and participation in gangs.

See how easy that was? Now you try.