If the "CIA" or racist music studio execs deliberately pushed music with negative messages at the black community--which I believe--then the racism and cultural aspects go together.
Then there is the drug war but before you can have a drug war you ship the drugs in and this was also done by powerful forces. If the goal was the target the black community specifically or just pecuniary idk but the result is the same.

What ongoing censorship?

I think you did look up what happened to the grooming gang defendants but you didn't post it because it wasn't swept under the rug. 20 men were convicted and they are doing significant prison time! Measured in decades level prison sentences!


The wildest, wildest **** about "new to me is new to everyone" **** is that Kelhus is right now undergoing the EXACT same contrarian MRA/race realist->open white nationalism->"anti-sex trafficking activist" arc that Cernovich and the rest of the Gamergate types completed in 2014-16.

Hey man, around spring of next year you're gonna learn a lot about a pizza place in DC please don't go there with a gun!

Do you really think the path to gang banging starts at 17, when the kid could not get job because of racism? Honestly?

Gang-life starts in early teens, well before any market based racism could impact these gang bangers, and almost all factors that lead to gang banging is cultural based. Note, there no mention of racism. I love how you folks just ignore study after study that points to the causative factors to gang banging.

Uh, yes they are. In a lot of cases they are. Just how long ago do you think 1964 was?

Is it your thinking that a person born into, say, the bottom quintile of wealth is just as likely as someone born into the top quintile of wealth to end up in either the top or bottom quintiles of wealth?
I agree that there is less racism. Less racism is not the same thing as no racism, however, and neither are the effects of wealth stolen by racism healed in a single generation when no reparations for that stolen wealth have been repaid.

Yes, I can.

I have a chart too:



Why do you think black people have higher rates of teen pregnancy?
Why do you think there are more young black men in prison?

I think racism does contribute to all those things.

I can post 100's of more other sources. I think you are guilty of ignoring the literature, not me.

I don't think it is controversial to note that organized crime has been extremely glamorized in American media, for good or bad. The most prominent glamorization is definitely the Italian mafia, but black/Latin gang life has been glamorized also, especially in popular music.

Regardless, urban poverty and "gang culture" seems to be pretty ubiquitous in human societies across time where there is a large concentration of poverty and hopelessness, so claiming it as a unique problem to a specific "race" or culture seems ignorant of history/reality/biology.

I am paraphrasing, but I mean Larry Elder would probably agree with most of the thesis of the liberals here up until the point where they start suggesting "solutions," and then he would note we have had 60 years of these type of solutions and they haven't solved much of anything.

Wow. Thread heating up. There was like 10 posts while I made the one I did.

I do to, but not to the extent you do. That's the issue. You want to argue against all other variables, to promote racism as the only issue, when it's clear it's probably not even the 5th most likley culprit of perpetual poverty.

Pretty much all those things are the result of poverty.

NOBODY rational would think that gangsta rap is some organic thing that hasn't had huge deleterious effects on the black community and wookie and fly think pointing that out is hilarious.
I don't understand why but must be because they are not rational.

There are lots of reasons for perpetual poverty and these almost all apply to all people in poverty, regardless of race. The reason that a disproportionate number of black families are in poverty is racism, both historic and current.

That's like saying meth is not a white persons drug, and crack is not a black persons drug. Gangs are similar. Most gangs white people get involved in relate to ethnic stuff. Irish Mob, Italian Mafia, Russian Mob, etc etc. However, most white people do not really embrace their ethnic roots (mostly because they are mix of several different ones), and have become Americanized (which is a good thing), so they are not really drawn to any ethnic based gang activity (outside of like prisons gangs like the AB). I think the one real white based gang that does not have any other sort of ethnic basis is the hells angels, which is not really a group that gets a lot of attention in white communities.

Are you one of those guys that watches scarface and thinks man al pacino is sooo cool?

What are you talking about, “market based racism”? How is this at all responsive to what I wrote? Of course poverty affects people before they become adults. Where did I say desperation kicks in at 17? Lots of people, especially people growing up in poor conditions, have to work or find ways to support themselves before they become adults. Like I said, all those factors are not culturally unique to black communities. It’s poverty that is the big issue, and in the USA #1 the poverty suffered by black people/communities has been created, exacerbated, and is perpetuated to a significant degree by a number of racist forces.

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So what are you arguing Wookie?
Lets try for some words
I'll try to help you out but first you have to explain what your hang up is? You think glorifying violence and drugs in music has had a positive effect on blacks or that music doesn't have any effect or what?

You got any citations to support these scorching hot takes?

Maybe he's laughing at your idea that the CIA invented gangsta rap.

Do you think there is a reason why music with positive messages doesn't (or didn't) manage to make it to the radio or do you disagree that that has happened?
And if music without positive messages doesn't get played, why is that?
Is it because people don't like uplifting music and so it just doesn't sell?

You gotta make a change
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes
Let's change the way we eat let's change the way we live
And let's change the way we treat each other
You see the old way wan'ts workin, so its on us to do what we gotta do, to survive

I think you need learn why young teens join gangs. I showed you a source who are experts on the subject, and almost all of them are cultural, non-economic factors. A 14 year old does not join a gang and commit crime becasue they are desperate. It's becasue its whats normal in their environment.

How much more convincing do you need? None of these point to racism, and gang activity furthers generational poverty.

My point is that there are some aspects of black culture that are artificially created.
Itshotinvegas is correct that culture is a factor, but racism has gone into creating that culture.

No mention of pulling your dang pants up though.

You're a nerd, let people listen to what they want.

And this is dangerously close to you getting well named to delete all the posts after I mention that this is generally fleshed out as explicitly an anti-semitic hotep theory.

You need to understand, Luckbox, you don't read our media, you don't follow our discussions, but we do check up on what you and yours are doing.

Now do i get to say LOLOLOLOLOLOL?
I'd love to see a cite of something in right wing media pushing that idea in an antisemitic fashion. I'm sure with some googling you might find it. Good luck.

And how about answering the questions there instead of race-baiting?