These debates about media bias are so hard to resolve because there doesn't seem to be an objective metric for tracking media attention. Even if you can find a report of a killing on WaPo of Fox or wherever, it doesn't tell you if it was buried halfway down the front page and only up for two hours or if it was plastered at the top and stayed there all day. And for TV, I don't know anywhere that records the screen time for each story.

I'll say I've never heard of the two instances microbet gave of white people being shot, but I remember very well the coverage of the black guy who was shot while lying in the street with his hands up. (I can't imagine the other cases were as egregious as the shooting of the black guy though.)

And bacalaopeace's take on blacks being shot at a "shocking" rate of 2:1 over whites because they're only an eighth the population was rightly shut down by Kelhaus. They commit half the murders. I've heard that studies have shown the police's racial bias in terms of shootings is actually against whites. And the statistic of a population that commits half the crimes being shot twice as often certainly supports that assertion.

Why has poverty rates remain relatively unchanged since the 1968 CRA? Why do fluctuations (increases and reductions) between the different demographics follow each other (i.e. when white poverty decreases, black poverty deceases). If one demographic is affected by an issue that is not affecting another, there should be no correlation in trends. (such as life expectancy, where black males are affected by homicidal violence at a greater rate, which impacts life expectancy). Why would black poverty not increase over time, if racism was the reason they were still impoverished? Are middle class black folks not affected by the debilitating affects of racism?

While several decades ago, black folks were put into poverty by racist and discriminatory practices, which led to an impoverished community, what keeps them impoverished is not racism, or you'd have significantly more impoverished black folks.

My guess is, you've been through all this and are reticent to acknowledge socioeconomic issues as being the culprit, significantly more than racism.

Ok. So Trump and the right wing media are a very big problem. The best solution is really a ramp up the divisiveness, take no prisoners, radicalization approach?

I mean, if it is, it is. But I don't see it.

Well, it seems there is certainly systemic bias in policing also. And systemic bias at a more fundamental level that causes the stats to wash out the way they do. Plenty of research has demonstrated this (cue WN). But promoting a simple black-white (pardon the pun) narrative for ideological reasons certainly doesn't seem to be moving the needle in the right (another pun?) direction.

Why do you think that black people have disproportionate rates of poverty?

There's rumors circulating that you have trouble articulating a point so don't disappoint your audience. Some have said you go around spamming poorly formulated "gotcha questions" because you're hoping someone says something you can project hate at vs actually engage in a good faith discussion.

Since you're not out to abuse other 2p2 members and genuinely care about poverty in the black community, we all can't wait for your well thought out response

What socioeconomic issues affect black people but not other races that explain their poverty rates?

My thesis is racism, especially the lingering history of racist housing practices, which, while technically illegal, continue in a de facto manner to this day.

If you think "what do you think is the cause?" is a "gotcha" question, that is what we call a "tell" that you are deliberately coy about your beliefs.

This is laughably shallow, simple, and incomplete for someone that actually cares

so sad

This isn't the thread to start the education process but anyways

Scrolling up to the topic, I can't be bothered to quote and look up the specific stats on police shootings right now but for those citing that there's like 8x white people and only half the shootings, you have to factor in police interaction. If you look at reported crime (police responding to a call with description), incarceration rates, and murder rates, then you would realize that population demographics are far less useful than stats that indicate police interaction that could possibly lead to a shooting

Oh I see, it's just because black people are more criminal.

what are you referring to by "it"?

seems like there's another deep thought coming my way

I answered your question, and you ignored mine to ask me another question (one with a manipulated premise to boot, and was the same question you asked previously). Make your point, so I can destroy it. Otherwise, I'm not playing 20 questions with you.

No, you did not. You poised a bunch of rhetorical questions and wrote out some unspecific conditionals.

I disagree.


I do not teach reading comprehension. If you do not see this as a clear answer to your question, then there is nothing more we can discuss. Your follow on question to which you altered your first question to interject socioeconomic status belies that, and shows you are just being manipulative and dishonest.

Sorry, this isn't the thread to teach you about pronouns.

OK, then I am not following your argument if the impoverishment of black people is caused by racism (I agree), and the policing disparity is caused by poverty, then why is it somehow incorrect to say that the disparity is caused by racism? Had there not ever been racism there would be neither the poverty nor the police disparity.

Also, "socioeconomic issues" was your term. It's there in the post I replied to. There's nothing dishonest about quoting you. I was trying to get at what you thought was the root cause, since you seemed to take issue with racism being the root cause. I argue that in my above statement, racism is still the root cause, and it is at best imprecise and incomplete to say that current socioeconomic status is the sole appropriate explanation.

What narrative do you think the media is trying to push?

Speaking of media, given current events I assume most of the moralizers can agree it is appropriate for a journalist to expose pedophiles and people involved in human sex trafficking when having knowledge of such information?

Maybe I should increase my enlightenment by being more open to the idea that ****ing 13 year old girls is actually fine?

So if you found out that a first world country had a giant pedophilia/sex trafficking scandal, and was going through completely secret trials concerning it with media silence, and a journalist was literally being blackballed by the media/social media and imprisoned for reporting on it, you would find that outrageous?

My ideology says yes, so yes, but maybe not if it's Vox doing the blackballing?

So you aren't familiar with Tommy Robinson?

No surprise, as it is completely being suppressed by British govt and media and you have to go real deep into the right wing dark web to even know what is going on.

It is with great hypocrisy that I concede that I am unfamiliar with a story that is not being covered by the media, a story from a country in which I don't reside.

Well, given the way the whole Epstein thing was suppressed, and the fact you aren't even aware of a journalist who is being imprisoned for reporting on a secret sex trafficking/pedophilia ring, and our own media doesn't seem too interested, and Google/YouTube is extremely aggressive taking down all social media discussing this, maybe it is time to wonder whether the MSM is really all that against pedophilia/sex trafficking at all.

Hahaha holy **** I didn't see Tommy ****ing Robinson coming.

Spoiler alert: he isn't a journalist, he didn't expose anything, and Kelhus has once again been lead astray by his storytime podcasts.

P.S. This forum had a huge thread about the Shaver shooting where all the libs and lefties yelled at various independent thinking contrarian types, but uh, like last week you were in here talking about the ****ing Ferguson effect! What the ****. "Corrupt"??!?! What, you think someone got bribed to get the cops off?

Well, we will never know because the media isn't interested in digging and covering it at all. You have faith the Tempe police dept and justice dept are on the up and up?

I assume you saw the video, and you don't find it peculiar both officers (the murderer and the one escalating by screaming) were acquitted and given full retirements (which you probably didn't even know because the media isn't interested in reporting this story at all).