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06-04-2020 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
None of the policing changes being demanded by BLM protesters are for black people only.
Never said they were nor did I solely link an opinion piece wrt your other post, nor have I actually mentioned BLM once in this or any other thread with the exception of one comment in response to this:
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
We're at the "I'm upset at BLM because they don't protest white people's deaths" part.
to which I replied:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2085
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I'm personally at the "condemn excessive police brutality" part. BLM doesn't even enter into things for me and I have no problem with them or anyone else protesting against excessive police tactics and force.

Last edited by corpus vile; 06-04-2020 at 11:37 AM.
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06-04-2020 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
May police racism against blacks is lessoning?

Sure where people can walk around with automatic rifles and police will carry their water but on your knees with a hammer on your belt while Hispanic? That is a bridge too far.

This cop sounds like the Donald trump of police.

I messaged a friend last night and asked him if he was going to a protest. He said no. A couple hours later he replies:

"<his gf> just found out it was one of her students
the look in her eyes
I want to burn it all down"

and then they went out to protest.

Vallejo is one of the worst PDs in California for abuse of force.
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06-04-2020 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by micro dong
Well I guess now all the rioters and looters are gonna say sorry. That's alright, just reimburse people for all the damages and all is forgiven.
They should add a warning to Covid:

“Warning, if you have Covid 19 and an adult male knees on your neck for over nine minutes you could die. You also could die from Covid 19 if someone shoots you in the head or runs you over with a truck.”
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06-04-2020 , 11:55 AM
I'm half surprised the coroner and cops didn't try to blame his death on COVID.
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06-04-2020 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
An opinion piece in the WSJ disagrees with systemic racism in the police force anyway, can't comment on the US in general

http://archive.is/OXbjA

As do some scholarly articles albeit again for the cops specifically
https://archive.is/wuc2c
The systemic racism in American police forces is not just white people kill more minorities. It is much more insidious than that as minority officers are indoctrinated in the hatred and racism. There is no need to divide police officers out by race.

This has unfortunately been obvious for a really long time. Besides potentially participating in directly racist actions they help cover up the actions of other officers.

This is the problem. The police in the United States are racist. The entire institution. That is why it has to be torn down.
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06-04-2020 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Not enough lolz in the world for citing a WSJ opinion piece looking worldwide instead of in the US to whitewash away police racism.
To be fair corpus also said the word “thug” is never racist because of how it is used in Ireland.
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06-04-2020 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
The systemic racism in American police forces is not just white people kill more minorities. It is much more insidious than that as minority officers are indoctrinated in the hatred and racism. There is no need to divide police officers out by race.

This has unfortunately been obvious for a really long time. Besides potentially participating in directly racist actions they help cover up the actions of other officers.

This is the problem. The police in the United States are racist. The entire institution. That is why it has to be torn down.
Could be, or could be all cops having an us vs them mentality re all civilians in general. It also only seems to cover fatal encounters. I have no idea how cops in general treat or interact with black American civilians in non fatal encounters for example or if black suspects are treated worse than white ones by cops in general.

Define torn down. You mean reformed? Or actually torn down? Who should replace the police, if so?

Last edited by corpus vile; 06-04-2020 at 12:09 PM.
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06-04-2020 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
To be fair corpus also said the word “thug” is never racist because of how it is used in Ireland.
No I didn't and said it could be used as a racist dog whistle but wasn't always and didn't always apply as one. Stop lying. What's more I linked this not five minutes ago to you and wookie in the AA thread.

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I consider the murder of Jordan Davis for example as being racially motivated and certainly playing a factor as there's evidence or something of more substance to support this and also a case where it's perfectly valid to use when citing how the word thug can indeed be used as a racist dog whistle even if I don't agree that the word itself is always used in that context.
I also said it earlier in the AA thread
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1205
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I'm sure some racists have used the word as a coded racist dig at black people. But using the word is not automatically a racist swipe at all black people within certain contexts, even if it's being used to describe a criminal who happens to be black.Trump did not say he wished for African Americans to be killed and citing his use of the word thug when describing rioters in general, regardless of their race, to justify this is laughable, like your entire reasoning.
So again stop lying because it's getting tiresome at this stage

Last edited by corpus vile; 06-04-2020 at 12:13 PM.
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06-04-2020 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
They should add a warning to Covid:

“Warning, if you have Covid 19 and an adult male knees on your neck for over nine minutes you could die. You also could die from Covid 19 if someone shoots you in the head or runs you over with a truck.”
Are you talking about the Fed Ex driver? Yeah I have no issue with that guy or gal.
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06-04-2020 , 12:36 PM
This man has been busy, really busy. 79 are just the reported ones... so essentially this guy is lighting someone up every few days.

I heard earlier this week that 70% of the police precincts in the US have no oversight whatsoever. Reform needs to start here. Simple and effective.

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06-04-2020 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I agree that Mr Floyd's killers deserve to be incarcerated but the same argument can be made for Mr Timpa. Mr Floyd's neck was restrained for between five to eight minutes, Mr Tampa's back for 13. Cops are supposed to be trained to asses if a suspect is in potential danger. An argument for murder can be equally made for both and Mr Tampa's killers also deserve incarceration.
For sure the cops should have realized he was in danger.

They may have to actually teach American police officers that suspects need to breath occasionally.

What would the cops do over in the UK ?
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06-04-2020 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inve...mpression=true

Did this story make anyone's news feed when it happened? I'm going to guess not. Almost the exact same circumstances as Floyd's murder. If this doesn't tell you that there is bias in the media designed to create division, I don't know what will.
not so sure that using a case of blatant and chilling police brutality as an attempt to discredit people protesting police brutality makes a lot of sense. ofc, conservatives arent really known for their consistency, sense, and intelligence so I guess its expected.
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06-04-2020 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
This man has been busy, really busy. 79 are just the reported ones... so essentially this guy is lighting someone up every few days.

I heard earlier this week that 70% of the police precincts in the US have no oversight whatsoever. Reform needs to start here. Simple and effective.

lol 79 times how is that even possible. like, I doubt that every time he uses force its gets reported and then reviewed so its more like hes doing it every single shift.

conservatives just like nope, that doesnt look like anything to me. not sure why anyone would be mad.
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06-04-2020 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
not so sure that using a case of blatant and chilling police brutality as an attempt to discredit people protesting police brutality makes a lot of sense. ofc, conservatives arent really known for their consistency, sense, and intelligence so I guess its expected.
I thought he was making a claim about the media?
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06-04-2020 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shifty86
It's straight up racist. Seeing those videos should make any non-racist person stomach turn.
I could only find a video of a white church group in Huston that knelt and asked forgiveness of God and their black 'brothers and sisters' as the pastor said.

I couldn't see any BLM leader demanding it. lol
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06-04-2020 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
I could only find a video of a white church group in Huston that knelt and asked forgiveness of God and their black 'brothers and sisters' as the pastor said.

I couldn't see any BLM leader demanding it. lol

this is what happens when people’s Facebook feeds become the “real” news
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06-04-2020 , 01:31 PM
Just curious, maybe somebody knows, at which date is the end of all these demonstrations planned?
(I mean, sure everybody got the point by now right?)
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06-04-2020 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
Isn't that part of the problem? There is only outcry when it's POC that are killed at the hands of police.. Statistics tell us that if your black your 2x as likely to be murdered by police, but also 5x more likely to commit violent crimes. If laws are broken at a disproportionate % to other races, logic tells us that there will be more police encounters (by good and bad police). To me this feels much more like a police brutality issue than a race issue. The difference is the former doesn't further any political agendas.
Actually, logic tells us the rate of police murdering POC being higher is a race issue. Also, link your stat source.


You guys that make this claim never provide solid support for this weird perception that "there is only outcry when it's POC that are killed at the hands of police." It's not true. It's what you feel because hearing about it when it's a POC triggers racists.


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06-04-2020 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
lol 79 times how is that even possible. like, I doubt that every time he uses force its gets reported and then reviewed so its more like hes doing it every single shift.

conservatives just like nope, that doesnt look like anything to me. not sure why anyone would be mad.
It's like an iceberg. Let's just try to focus on the part you can see, the rest doesn't exist.
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06-04-2020 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
Just curious, maybe somebody knows, at which date is the end of all these demonstrations planned?
(I mean, sure everybody got the point by now right?)
When everybody has got corona.
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06-04-2020 , 01:54 PM


Gang drive by shooting caught on camera
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06-04-2020 , 02:02 PM
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06-04-2020 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl


Gang drive by shooting caught on camera
What in the f is that? Police shooting at teenagers with no real intention? Why do you shoot teenagers who did nothing with rubber bullets? Even if they did something what is the purpose of shooting in the legs with rubber bullets? USA= trump= anarchy?
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06-04-2020 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
not so sure that using a case of blatant and chilling police brutality as an attempt to discredit people protesting police brutality makes a lot of sense. ofc, conservatives arent really known for their consistency, sense, and intelligence so I guess its expected.
I'm not discrediting the protest at all. The murder was horrific, and I hope its punished to the fullest extent. I also hope these protests create actual reform in police departments. What I disagree with is that this is a racial issue... It's clearly a police brutality issue that only gets attention when the victim is black.. Why do you think that is? Which party controls what you hear from social media, msm, Hollywood?
This is police brutality masquerading as racism to make a power play at regaining control.
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06-04-2020 , 02:12 PM
Seems like they wished to try out their new toys. Pretty effed up.
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