But Inso0 I hope you recognize you are stuffing a lot of strawmen to try and make a point that obviously you recognize would be weak or non existent with out doing so, thus why you do it.


No one is saying allowing cars with no working lights to drive around at night, nor letting anyone drive around with no valid license of license plate which should not be renewed if you don't fix those other issues.

License plate passive scanning technology that can be fitted on a couple traffic cars that any police force can ensure are the first assigned out and on the road each night is way cheaper and more effective for any force than the corresponding numbers of officers needed to do the same number of stops to catch offenders.

But most importantly, what you ignore and purposely so, is that cops are choosing to take secondary actions, such as search the person or vehicle based on clear racial bias and that is wrong.

Despite white people being just as likely or more likely to be carrying marijuana and other recreational drugs (they have more income for such) they get searched only a fraction of the times. And even when searched and it is found on them they get charged a fraction of the times. And even when charged they get a fraction of the convictions and penalties.

That is just one area this bias plays out to very detrimental effects that can impact things like future employment, etc.

Do you think that is ok and does not need to be addressed?

Totally agree. We need to reform society so that every person has an adequate amount of food, health care, housing, education, and other necessities. And jobs with fair wages.

We can do this by taking it from the thieving rich.

Welcome comrade.

Chairman mao tried what you’re saying and it didn’t work out. Curious what current society out there is closest to what you envision.

It didn't work? China is winning now bruh.

And as for the chairman, well China went from a peasant backwater to an industrialized nation with a massive increase in lifespan and quality of life in like a decade. It worked.

Btw how long did it take the capitalists to get rid of slavery and child labor? Lol

Deng instituted capitalist reforms after mao wrecked the country. If anyone is a hero in China it’s him. Now China has a middle class, filthy rich billionaires and many poor thanks. Similar to other large capitalist countries

Pre Deng they made massive increases in lifespan and quality of life. If anything, Deng hurt the progress.

But China is not winning by taking from an existing Rich class and redistributing it to the poor.

China is winning by embracing Capitalism, allowing a lot of Companies to form and become very rich and powerful and creating a bunch of Billionaires at the same time while recognizing that it is those companies created that are the tool to move the masses from poverty into the working class.

Are you applauding that now?


(also I would appreciate a reply to this post, if you will. thx)

China also does not recognize International Copyright and Patent Laws. It also has a terrible pollution record.

I guess Victor loves unfettered captitalism after all! Who knew?

I don't see any way to view this as anything other than a Police execution of a homeless man.

Cliffs :

- homeless man is living in bushes at edge of trailer park
- person calls 9/11 reporting him being there and seen walking around the park with a steak knife in hand and seemingly incoherent
- police arrive on scene demand he come out of the bushes
- he is hesitant, sounds disoriented and is non compliant at start
- eventually does come out but as he is emerging from thick brush one officer exclaims he has a stick in his hands (it is a thin twig or switch like stick)
- cops demand he drop the stick as he is emerging and when he does not immediately (only a few seconds pass) one officer tasers him
- another officer then shoots and kills him as he is being tasered
- man never makes any type of aggressive move nor is he holding the steak knife





This, in my view is another example of an officer executing a person not for the threat they pose but for not complying to orders.

Knowing that he prior had possession of a knife the officers should have never been that close to him as he emerged. They should have been backing away to keep some established distance so they could assess any threat he might pose (knife in hand or accessible or not) and so they would have a chance to deal with that (talk him down) without being so close that anything in his hand or on his body could be seen as an immediate threat and reason to kill him.

I hope the officer who shot him is charged with murder.

the shooting in delaware county PA is getting interesting.. too lazy to link.

-cops hanging around football game to profile some african americans.
-cops allegedly hear something that sounds like gunfire
-cops immediately start firing into the crowd and moving vehicles. injure people and kill 8yr old girl
-cops first story that they were involved in a shootout and returned fire
-cops second story that they saw a shootout and mistakenly fired on the wrong car
-cops third story, they may or may not have heard gunfire
-there was no altercation or weapons anywhere to be found

-months later DA finds two teenagers that allegedly shot a gun(possibly at each other) blocks away from the scene and decides to charge the teenagers with MURDER for the 8yr old that the cops killed.

Wouldnt ballistics clarify this?

they are charging them with felony murder i assume.. that the discharge of the weapon was a felony, and that led to the police shooting and killing an 8yr old a block or two away. the ballistics already have confirmed that EVERYONE shot at the scene were shot by police.

No.

This charge is saying that 'if the police made a mistake and shot the wrong people it is the fault of the other people who began this process with their crimes as the police would not be shooting at all if not for that.'

We had a similar case, that ended up in a conviction where as I recall some guys robbed a convenience store. One of the guys bailed and left the scene not completing the crime. The police killed the other offender and I think an innocent bystander was killed and the guy who had bailed and left the scene was charged with the death of the innocent bystander the police killed.

The rationale being if he had not also come to rob the store with the other, now dead, offender this sequence of events resulting in the innocent dying would not have happened, thus they are responsible for the entire sequence and anything that happens within it including if a cop accidentally kills an innocent bystander.

Many people were perplexed at this stretching of the logic and that seems to be along the lines of what this charge suggests.

One of the interesting things to come out of this horrific police abuse case I cited a month ago is the revelation that the Prosecutor who uncovered it faced a lot of backlash and abuse from her Supervisors wondering why she would 'go look' for such indicting evidence against the officer.

The above position by the Prosecutors superiors seems to answer a question i was a little bit stumped by prior.

I wondered how a Cop with a body cam could be so blatant and dumb in planting evidence in plain view of the camera's and not understand he was going to get caught.

That answer seems to be that the Cops know generally that the system 'has their back'. It is an extension of the Blue Wall. That even if somewhere in the system it becomes suspected or known the cop is doing wrong they simply will not pursue it. You can't indict or convict if you refuse to look.

This cop had learned over dozens and dozens of wrongful arrests that they were all in to it and all benefitting from padding the arrest stats and convictions which allowed him to be brazen about it until this outlier Prosecutor entered the system and refused to comply with the established norm.

And i call her an outlier as it clearly perplexed her boss that she would do this. Her actions were what was not to norm.


Anyone think I am being too harsh in this assessment?

(outside Inso0 that is who has made it clear in the past he just does not think police abuses like this amount to anything anyone should be concerned about.)

Hmmm.


I am all for bystanders filming the cops effecting an arrest (George Floyd) or citizen V citizen engagements (Arbury case) because with out the independent filming the results of such trials would be very different, or there would be no trial at all.

But at the same time I struggle with todays society where too often even as a woman is raped in the presence of many witnesses the report is that the bystanders did nothing but take out their phones to record the incident.

My biggest fear in assisting an officer however is not the tussle with the 'criminal' who the officer might need an assist to restrain but rather that any approaching officers assume I am also attacking the officer and they shoot first and ask questions later. We have seen too many citizens shot by police when they step into the role of good Samaritan and the cops then just shoot them dead without a seconds hesitation to try and figure out who is a 'good guy' and who is a 'bad guy'.



National Police Association asks bystanders to step in and help if they see an officer being assaulted rather than just filming it for 'likes and attention' after more than 50,000 officers have been attacked this year

- The National Police Association is calling for bystanders to stop filming officers getting assaulted for 'likes and attention' and to help officers in distress

- More than 50,000 officers have been assaulted this year and 59 officers have been killed on duty - a 51 percent increase from last year

- In 2020, there were more than 60,000 assaults on law enforcement Forces are facing staffing shortages amid increases in violent crime

The National Police Association is calling for bystanders to step in and help if they see an officer being assaulted rather than film it for 'likes and attention,' as more than 50,000 officers have been attacked this year alone.

'This year, over 50,000 law enforcement officers have been assaulted while on duty,' Mark Solan, a National Law Enforcement Expert, says in a video. 'The vast number of these attacks were filmed and uploaded to social media in the pursuit of likes and attention.'

Just this week in New York City, a police officer was seen being attacked by a man who tried to choke him while the two tussled on the floor in a Brooklyn Target store - while an looker filmed it and then posted it online.

The association is now offering three 'simple steps' for bystanders to follow to help officers in distress.

The first step is to 'call 911 and give the officers your exact location.'

After that, bystanders are instructed to offer the officer help. If accepted, bystanders are to 'do whatever you can to safely help.' If declined, then witnesses can start to film the interaction, according to the association...

...Although the video has no sound, the video shows a police officer being held down by a shopper in a gray shirt and at one point being choked.

It takes several attempts for the officer to get to his feet while many bystanders continued to walk by or even stop to stare. ...

...'We have a police officer in distress, [and] nobody helps him. Is this the city we want? Has this become normal? It has to stop,' NYC PBA President Patrick Lynch said.

'We need your help. We need your help on the street, [and] we need your help to force our reckless [elected] officials to do their job.'...

Here in Canada we are investigating an officer for kicking snow in a suspects face

https://globalnews.ca/news/8408345/q...-arrest-video/

Arizona cop moonlighting as a security guard is fired after shooting a man in a wheelchair 9 times! Killing him


Your whole country is a pos flyover state

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...fatal-shooting

Good god that is pathetic.

It is as if the cop thinks 'don't take away my right to shoot once he has posed a threat' Sure there are other options to restrain a man in a wheelchair but why take away my right to shoot and kill?'


Might seem callous but Man in a Wheelchair moving away from you brandishing a knife... here problem solved.

I saw the video on this one last night. There have been many absurd police shootings in our time, but this is so outrageous that it defies belief. This is death penalty territory IMO.

Yes the strangest I’ve ever seen. He’s definitely getting convicted of murder

I have spoken to this earlier in the thread saying too many police have adopted a belief that simply non compliance of an order, when they have a gun pointed at you is reason enough for them to kill you. The game of 'Simon says, bang your dead'.

I think there is nothing here other than a cop frustrated that his order was being ignored and then thinking 'fine, watch what happens to you next then'.

It will be sadly comical to hear the cops defense lawyer try to make the case how this guy in the wheelchair was a threat who the cop needed to kill because he was afraid.

Did you watch the video? Seems from your comment you didn’t maybe I’m wrong.

The cop acted pretty normal all through the parking lot following the guy but decided to shoot him at store entrance. Dangerous spot to for bystanders

Finally got around to watching the footage and this is pretty right.
Holy ****ing ****. The Democratic republic of Congo is more civilized than this. If you believed all the propaganda fed to you then you'd maybe think this could be North Korea or something.
Can some bootlicker come in here and try to defend it?

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