The leak of puritan religious views into society, imo have been amongst the damaging.

Alcohol prohibition, drug prohibition, alcohol consumption laws, etc can all be pretty straight line connected to some of the worst aspects of our criminal justice system abuse and general behavioural problems.

There are some here who like to argue that religion provides some form of moral guardrails which improve society but I could not disagree more.

I take it that you are unaware that the Puritans drank beer? They may have had loaded more beer on the Mayflower than water!

No, I am aware of that.

It does not change what I said. It is these 'puritan' ideals that religious people push society towards that are amongst the most damaging to society.

FYP

In a battle of causing human misery and despair, alcohol crushes law enforcement AINEC.

It can be argued that you should let people kill themselves however they wish, but the collateral damage from drugs and alcohol is particularly nasty.

Nothing good ever comes from the casual consumption of drugs or alcohol. In the best case scenario it does a little harm to the user and none to innocent bystanders. Many aren't so lucky.

Same thing with jaywalking and other minor crimes you guys think should just be taken off the books. It's usually fine, until it's not. If people could behave themselves, those laws wouldn't need to exist.

The church was big in the alcohol business.
Vatican= Italy= mafia

They are the top wine consuming country.
"Why does the Vatican drink so much wine?"
https://theguardian.com/lifeandstyle...k-so-much-wine

As usual though you ignore the real world application for a generic response Inso0.

I have posted studies showing things like Jwalking are targeted to certain communities where nearby communities of another complexion are not targeted even in similar high level observed areas where Jwalking occurs.

I might guess you are falling into the 'look at the results' 'thus the action was justified' type logic trap.

Prejudice.

Against Italians.

In this day and age......

It only seems like I live in a fairy land because I live in one of the nicest counties in America. Sorry about your neighborhood going down hill, maybe people there should stop supporting killing people over $20 and having their assets seized.

I agree but it's hardly a new thing. there was prohibition

That's a bit misleading because the reason for drinking beer was that drinking water when at sea for some time was very unsafe.

Context? If the guy is standing in the toy gun aisle at Walmart holding a toy gun, it might be a toy gun.

This summarizes the problem with police. They are ALWAYS eager to assume the worst and respond with extreme violence.

The police should have assessed the situation like a human being and figured out what was going on. Not got a call that someone might have a gun and decide that they were going to be able to kill someone and jizz all over their police boxers on the way over.

Your post is basically, “How could the police ever know he wasn’t a murderer with a real gun”.

The Puritans went to New England to escape Catholic influence.

LOL

Mama Mia!!

Also here’s an example of the hedge clippers thing I talk about:

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/18/92519...granted-parole


And here’s an example of the phone thing:

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/natio...-jail/2063328/

These are common occurrences. This is what people like in so mean when they say they are for second chances but not a third chance.

While they were certainly extremely anti-Catholic, the ire was more directed at the Church of England. They didn't as much want to escape influence as they wanted to escape a country where they were not allowed to be the determining influence in religious matters. Or in the more popular version: They didn't flee persecution, they fled not being allowed to freely persecute. Of course, history is a bit more complicated than that, but suffice to say it is an historic event with few heroes in it.

Though I don't expect the above to be the version that pops up in American history books.

I feel completely bad for this guy becuase he did what he was told. He seems like a reasonable nice guy, so do the mothers. He was brainwashed. In the same way you could blame soldiers for going to vietnam, or iraq. He was told they will make a war on drugs. They were gonna make a dent in this. President Reagan told him that! He believed it. This was the gto approch, even though experts knew it wasnt, they werent head. Anyone who understood addiction knew this is not gonna work.

He spent his life chasing bad guys with drugs and was proud of it.
From min 6:30 of the video, former DEA:

"20 years ago most people felt we need to arrest more people"

"But I think most people were wrong, I think I was wrong"

"This epidemic was in the African Community for year, and we did nothing about it."

"Shes a pretty white girl who lives in the suburps, and that can possibly be why people were calling saying how can we help, we want to help"

"I now think the whole drug war is total bullshit"

Take it from the guy, he fought this thing for 20 years, and thought this out well enough and he came to the same conclusion as all the experts. The war on drugs is total bullshit. Everybody knows this. It takes too many lifes every day. In mexico they are lauging about is becuase it is so senseless. Look, the drugs are coming in anyways, the least we have to do is educate and put an ending to all the violence. The war on drugs has failed. It is the biggest failure in the history of US law. Anyone that understands addiction knows that punishments do not work on addicts. Im having faith becuase some european nations have understood this already, rather implemented it. Everyone knows what to do basically, and I am expecting more and more countries to adapt pretty soon. It can take a few more years.

These people here in should be somewhere safe and be given help. Probably in an institution. Not living in the streets.

I love the Italians. I just keep hearing that it is probably no concidence that the vatican and the mafia both come from Italy. Lets say the church was no saint always when it came to trading and blessing the members of the familes.

I think it's reasonable to release people classified solely as drug-offenders to their families until their behavior escalates. Maybe with a point system just like driving offenses.

I'm also fine with a government-sponsored institution of some kind vs literal prison. But the reality is that most are beyond saving and really just need 24/7 babysitting until they inevitably OD.

They are ODing because they dont know wtf they are taking right? Because they cant dose it correctly. Because it is not clean.

Thats 99% of all overdose deaths, becuase the stuff is tampered with. Us putting it in hands of criminals forces them to overdose.

Teflondawg and Cuepee, I thought most of your posts have been excellent. I’m very emotional and didn’t respond because instead of all the good things you wrote I would rather screamo about the one-two things I disagree with. Holds breath.

Edit: I mostly just wanted to say I wasn’t ignoring you I hate when people do that and don’t explain why.

Im pretty sure with the right treatments most people would have a chance.

We shoudnt spent our money on incarcercerations and courts, thats just money down the drain. Rather on institutions and stuff like infrastructure. Education on drugs, free healthcare, jobs, options. Other countries dont have these conditions.

In an ideal world it would be no ones business unless someone felt like it was their problem. Most of those arrested for drugs don’t even need treatment. Ideally and hypothetically what would happen is Nothing , unless you chose to seek help. Then you’d call 311, and then youd be like help I have half a kilo of coke in my house and I’m addicted. Then instead of guys with guns coming to you house and spending 7 years in prison, a nice Pokémon nurse( I grew up on Pokémon , I just mean like some super friendly positive nurses) would say oh no I’m so sorry , and then they would give you options for treatment. The whole idea that drugs should equal prison is the modern day version of witches. They didn’t burn witches out of ignorance , they did it because they needed arbitrariness. It’s also a cruelty is the point thing, by punishing weak people who use drugs to make it through their day they get a cheap thrill.

Thing is, 85% of people who attend rehab relapse.
Idk exactly what the best solution is, but I don’t think sending people to rehab who aren’t ready to get clean yet will be effective.
“You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”

You said you wanted to help the victims of crime. What is your plan to do this and what is your experience helping victims of crime?

that doesnt make the guy look any better. I mean, he straight up says it.

he didnt care when it was with the blacks. but as soon as it hit his home and his pretty white daughter. oh boy, we were wrong and we gotta change.

he did this for 20 ****ing years. how many lives did he help destroy?

also, I object to this "we did nothing about it" claim. he did a lot about it. and that involved locking people up, harassing people, destroying people's lives and their family's lives.

just scroll up a bit to the cop planting evidence. thats the police in this country. Inso is cool with it bc he KNOWS that these people are all criminals anyway even if they were innocent this ONE time. they deserved it bc they surely were criminals the other days and hours of the week.

abolish.

If the vid I posted turns out to be misleading or perpetuating a falsehood, then I apologize that this is the case. Do you have a source? I have no interest in being dishonest and posting what turns out to be propaganda

There are more examples out there that certainly aren't false

Again, the problem is your attitude. You are more interested in poking holes in any evidence put forth, and obv there's merit in the case of the vid I posted as apparently I posted in haste, sort of like LeBron's tweet was made in haste imo, but I own real estate just like you. I know the shitty tenants you complain about. I deal with them too

I have found myself in spots where I want to say "see, this is why people vote Republican" and it demonstrates how frustrating it is to deal with people who simply have no respect for anyone or their property or what they work hard at to maintain. I live in Philly and I have ties to some of the worst parts of it. I know exactly what you complain about, and your wife wrt education

Bottom line is you either want to inject yourself into the Herculean effort it requires, the patience, and the willingness to sacrifice until great change is made and a lifetime of effort shifts generations of impoverished to change for the better (because change often simply happens generationally), or you don't. I don't have a problem with anyone who "sings while they're winning" or wants nothing to do with the wave of problems crime-riddled cities deal with, but I do have a problem with them running their mouth and blaming the victims. Capitalism is great and powerful, but it is still susceptible to corruption like any other system. Don't blame any culture that came after the corruption. Jazz exists because of slavery and hiphop exists because cops used to straight up **** with people. We as a nation and voters and with beliefs in law and philosophy, flawed in many facets and points in time created all issues that exist now. The very debates we have exist because we led ourselves here. George Floyd may have made bad choices, or any other person you want to use as an example, but we still bear responsibility for our history and present flaws

Yes. This is exactly how I was thinking about it. I still remember a long time ago someone with experience in a country with a lower drinking age explained to me (I think it was Germany) that irresponsible drinking is frowned upon

The US may have growing pains in an effort to mirror such a culture, but I think it should still be examined. At least to me it never made sense that you just go from 0 to 100 right in the middle of your college experience. It literally derails quite possibly the most important years of one's life and development/growth in maturity