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06-15-2020 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Bullshit. You show me a resume study where Jamal and James get equal responses, and I'll change my tune.
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
As been explained to you, using correct math....and your number, 99.9% of black people alive today, won't be killed by police. They share the same "privilege" as the white people who won't be killed by police. It's not just a "white privilege".
Oh look, itshot deflecting again. Do 99.9% of black people also not experience discrimination in the hiring market? Or did you pivot away from Wookie's point because it doesn't quite go with your narrative?
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06-15-2020 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
You think approaching a sleeping drunk guy is a high pressure situation?

The police enter every interaction with people like they got to kill someone. It is wrong.

Police escalate these encounters by their behavior from the beginning. They are itching for a fight. There was never justification for shooting this guy. If the police acted better the situation would never have gotten out of control.

Most police officers poke and agitate wholly unnecessarily. I have seen it with my own eyes too many times.

Once the guy is running away why is their only option to murder him? They had his car, so he wasn’t going to be driving. They probably had some idea of whom he was as well.
Again, another reaction with perfect hindsight. It's like seeing a guy is bluffing on TV and saying you can't believe the other player didn't call. Yes, that is a high pressure/alert situation - all they know is a car with dark windows is just sitting there in the middle of a drive-thru for who knows what reason - with no idea who or how many people are in the car doing what. They are trained to be on alert in these scenarios and to not assume the safest of situation - that's the uncertainty part these guys deal with.

The officers seemed pretty relaxed - even friendly - until Brooks went on the attack. Actually they may have been too nice - if the one cop had tased him immediately instead of saying he was going to tase him, maybe the situation gets under control at that moment.
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06-15-2020 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace
It's sad folks are so brainwashed and authoritarian that they think this is how it should be.

Well, I guess so. You assault an officer, steal their weapon and point it back at them, you may very well get shot.
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06-15-2020 , 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
They're also favorites to earn less than white people in those same jobs doing the same work.
That still doesn't make entertainment/sports the easiest path to get ahead.
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06-15-2020 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
A black person who "does it right," and goes to college, gets a degree, learns marketable skills, and applies for good corporate jobs, is less likely to get interviews, and is less likely to be offered as high a salary as a white person with literally identical credentials, based on resume studies that use identical resumes but black or white sounding names. So no, that's not a way to get ahead. It's a way to get a little less behind.
The first part is undoubtedly true, and the example I always give people who think there isn't racism in 2020. All thing's being equal, in the situation above you should always award the job to the black candidate, as on average they have had to work harder and overcome more barriers to get to that situation.

However, it's also true that black students do not do as well as white students at pretty much every level of assessment. This is almost certainly down to structural inequality, and something that will take generations to resolve, if ever.
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06-15-2020 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Privelage is systematic not individual. I find it odd yet funny that you go on to post countless words itt without even having a grasp of what you're talking abt.
So the system is what exactly? Maybe there should be laws and government regulations to make it illegal for the “system” to discriminate based on race, Oh wait Federal Protections Against Discrimination! So what system are we talking about exactly?
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06-15-2020 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
oh god, this terrible argument just won't go away will it.

I, the cop, am going to fill your back with bullets not for what you are doing now that is a threat to me but out of fear of what you might you might do next that could kill me.


I, the cop, accept that you running away and firing my taser, is NOT a legit I threat to my life, BUT you might come back and take my gun and shoot me, and my partner might not be able to stop you. This fear of what MIGHT happen means i must kill you preemptively.


I mean this excuse to kill can be used for any situation where a person runs or tries to get away and is being pursued. It is always possible they might double back and punch the officer and grab his gun and kill him when he is out cold. That FEAR, i guess should let officers shoot everyone in the back. Right? If not, why not?

Is your answer gong to be 'I just THINK the FEAR of the taser guy landing the perfect taser shot while running away and then doubling back and my partner being unable to defend me is legit, thus the shooting is justified', but you saying a perp running away with no weapon posing a future threat is not enough.


Citizens are just operating under a fundamentally flawed premise that FEAR alone should allow a cop to kill. And that somehow just because I can say 'there is a possible risk' and that is true, then it is justified for the cop to kill.

We need to instead ask cops to accept there is some risk, or not take the job and just as we normal citizens have to do, identify an ACTUAL imminent threat before killing and not be scared of the possibility of one.

The FEAR defense does not work for us so it should not for a cop.
It is more complicated than what you make it here. TeflonDawg post basically stated what the problem is that led to this shooting. I will try to find the link again but the Atlanta Police procedures basically can be read to justify the shooting and isn’t just based on the fear of the cops.

The shooting seems very wrong. They could have arrested him at some other time as they had his car and they knew who he was. There were no good outcomes after the guy escalated the situation and escaped. He would have been on the loose with the cops taser. That is obviously not good but balancing the outcome of letting him get away with the taser with shooting him in the back it seems clear that they should have let him go at that point and arrest him later.
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06-15-2020 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
Well, I guess so. You assault an officer, steal their weapon and point it back at them, you may very well get shot.
Is that good policing in the public interest?
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06-15-2020 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
............what? Like, the fact that he was being arrested for DUI means that in the moment when he was shot by police, they were correct to judge him as a larger danger to the police pursuing him and the public at large than if he had been arrested for jaywalking?

That's ****ing bonkers dude

This was an intoxicated man who was just driving under the influence, who just fought police officers and swung on them, who just stole one of the their weapons, and who just pointed the weapon at the officer presumably in an attempt to incapacitate him.

Any reasonable person would conclude that such a person has a higher probability of being more dangerous than a person who was merely jaywalking.

Since you constantly show yourself to be a racist, I wouldn't expect you to possess good critical thinking skills, but this really isn't very difficult to comprehend.

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06-15-2020 , 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
The first part is undoubtedly true, and the example I always give people who think there isn't racism in 2020. All thing's being equal, in the situation above you should always award the job to the black candidate, as on average they have had to work harder and overcome more barriers to get to that situation.

However, it's also true that black students do not do as well as white students at pretty much every level of assessment. This is almost certainly down to structural inequality, and something that will take generations to resolve, if ever.
An oldie but goodie, the blue eye segregation exercise showed that when the kids were on the wrong side of segregation their test scores immediately dropped. (26:30).

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06-15-2020 , 05:29 AM
This is for you muppets who live in a fish bowl, and are utterly lost and confused about the protests and anger. Be warned your attention span will have to last abt 3 minutes to read it, so I do expect it to get lost in this thread. Which is a shame because many of you should be learning more and posting less

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...edge?_amp=true
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06-15-2020 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bacalaopeace
Is that good policing in the public interest?


I don’t know. I don’t want anyone to die.

This was a bad situation.
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06-15-2020 , 06:19 AM
Atlanta cop could face felony murder charges accord to DA. Decision likely by wednesday

https://www.foxnews.com/us/da-in-ray...harge-on-table
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06-15-2020 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jukofyork
I must have missed something? Neither of the recent cases were exactly what you'd call "innocent citizens"...

Juk
Well technically...
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06-15-2020 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
Well, I guess so. You assault an officer, steal their weapon and point it back at them, you may very well get shot.
Ya bro, that's the point. #abolishPolice
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06-15-2020 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Atlanta cop could face felony murder charges accord to DA. Decision likely by wednesday

https://www.foxnews.com/us/da-in-ray...harge-on-table
How disgusting. Imagine a United States where someone can drive while intoxicated and endanger others, refuse to cooperate with police and resist arrest, fight and punch police officers, steal an officer’s weapon, and then when this criminal attempts to fire the weapon at the officer...the officer isn’t even allowed to do anything to defend himself.
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06-15-2020 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
This is for you muppets who live in a fish bowl, and are utterly lost and confused about the protests and anger. Be warned your attention span will have to last abt 3 minutes to read it, so I do expect it to get lost in this thread. Which is a shame because many of you should be learning more and posting less

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...edge?_amp=true
Nice one by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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06-15-2020 , 07:35 AM
Stop saying Brooks took the cop's "weapon".

It was a taser.
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06-15-2020 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
How disgusting. Imagine a United States where someone can drive while intoxicated and endanger others, refuse to cooperate with police and resist arrest, fight and punch police officers, steal an officer’s weapon, and then when this criminal attempts to fire the weapon at the officer...the officer isn’t even allowed to do anything to defend himself.
He is certainly allowed to stop chasing. Greatly increases the chances of him living, the suspect living, and bystanders living. What's disgusting how that never enters the realm of possibility in some people's minds, especially police like this.
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06-15-2020 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Stop saying Brooks took the cop's "weapon".

It was a taser.
Time to queue up a 300-post derail on technical definitions of weaponry.
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06-15-2020 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by iamnotawerewolf
Stop saying Brooks took the cop's "weapon".

It was a taser.
Tasers are weapons.
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06-15-2020 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Time to queue up a 300-post derail on technical definitions of weaponry.
hopefully we can nip this one in the bud
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser
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06-15-2020 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
This is for you muppets who live in a fish bowl, and are utterly lost and confused about the protests and anger. Be warned your attention span will have to last abt 3 minutes to read it, so I do expect it to get lost in this thread. Which is a shame because many of you should be learning more and posting less

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/stor...edge?_amp=true
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And how those Minneapolis cops claimed Floyd was resisting arrest but a store’s video showed he wasn’t.
Alright, which one of you wrote this article? Goofyballer?
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06-15-2020 , 08:21 AM
a taser is a non-lethal weapon

by saying "he took the cop's weapon", knowing that he actually took a taser, you are intentionally obfuscating this factor
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06-15-2020 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LDLC
How disgusting. Imagine a United States where someone can drive while intoxicated and endanger others, refuse to cooperate with police and resist arrest, fight and punch police officers, steal an officer’s weapon, and then when this criminal attempts to fire the weapon at the officer...the officer isn’t even allowed to do anything to defend himself.
One scenario of not shooting a guy that clearly looks out of his mind. I'm sure the cop was laughed at and probably reprimanded for not neutralizing the subject.

https://www.facebook.com/1752313472/...7436993200318/
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