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02-27-2024 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
There wasn’t much violence

Unless you’re talking about Bezos making the shutdowns occur so his competition couldn’t survive?

Small businesses were violently put out of business, benefiting Amazon and taking away peoples reasons to go downtown.


But what violence are you talking about exactly?
Someone doesn't know what violence means. Everything in this post is ridiculous.

I don't even know which small businesses you could be referring to here.
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02-28-2024 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
There wasn’t much violence where? Before you answer please keep in mind that we all have the internet. I was talking about physical violence in the streets of louisville and Portland.

I agree with you that the government shutdowns hurt small businesses far more than they hurt big businesses. Democrats should be help responsible for pushing shutdowns so hard and for so long.
What exactly are you saying

Violence from protests was extreme??

Moderate

Slight
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02-29-2024 , 01:44 PM
$2 billion in damages, thousands of people injured, thousands of arrests and a few hand full of deaths.

“The costs have amounted to the costliest period of civil unrest in insurance history, overtaking the 1992 Los Angeles riots that cost $775million which, with inflation according to Axios, would be $1.42billion.”

There was nothing moderate about the violence BLM worked hard to create.
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02-29-2024 , 01:51 PM
And those peaceful capitol protestors were maybe guilty of jaywalking if that, right bah bah Michael?
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02-29-2024 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
And those peaceful capitol protestors were maybe guilty of jaywalking if that, right bah bah Michael?
I think they only broke one window.
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02-29-2024 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by biggerboat
I think they only broke one window.
Must have been an undercover antifa in their midst trying to make them look bad.
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02-29-2024 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
And those peaceful capitol protestors were maybe guilty of jaywalking if that, right bah bah Michael?
Just because the capitol protestors were far less violent and had the same odds of overthrowing the most powerful country in the world as the BLM rioters had doesn’t mean what they did was legal. We should arrest the rioters from both groups or neither group, but both groups is far more preferable IMO.
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02-29-2024 , 02:15 PM
It can be challenging for dumbasses to be violent when nobody's home.

Capitol Police bore the brunt, but they weren't even the targets.
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03-08-2024 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
$2 billion in damages, thousands of people injured, thousands of arrests and a few hand full of deaths.

“The costs have amounted to the costliest period of civil unrest in insurance history, overtaking the 1992 Los Angeles riots that cost $775million which, with inflation according to Axios, would be $1.42billion.”

There was nothing moderate about the violence BLM worked hard to create.
Yes, but think of all the good that came from the movement. Sometimes you have to loot/burn stores, block traffic and harass diners to get social change.
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03-08-2024 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime
Yes, but think of all the good that came from the movement. Sometimes you have to loot/burn stores, block traffic and harass diners to get social change.
I think of the very nice houses BLM leaders bought with donations and that helps sleep at night
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03-08-2024 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
I think of the very nice houses BLM leaders bought with donations and that helps sleep at night
Not just donations but public money via grants.

Here in Boston, this shining example leads the way:

Monica Cannon Grant
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03-08-2024 , 08:12 PM
sounds like they were just doing capitalism. why the hate Luci?
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03-08-2024 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
sounds like they were just doing capitalism. why the hate Luci?
fraud in commerce is punished in capitalism. as well as breach of contract and similar.
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03-11-2024 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
sounds like they were just doing capitalism. why the hate Luci?
What makes you think fraud is more prevalent in capitalism than socialism?

Also, it isn’t like BLM was pro- capitalism.
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03-11-2024 , 06:12 PM
In this thread people learn that they don’t get to decide what donated money is used for
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03-11-2024 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
In this thread people learn that they don’t get to decide what donated money is used for
It will surprise you, but I never donated to BLM
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04-02-2024 , 12:35 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...annah-graziano

A dude kills his wife and then takes his 15yo daughter against her will. The police stop them and tell the 15yo girl to get out of the car and come to them and then when she does they shoot her dead.
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04-02-2024 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...annah-graziano

A dude kills his wife and then takes his 15yo daughter against her will. The police stop them and tell the 15yo girl to get out of the car and come to them and then when she does they shoot her dead.
Pretty epic **** up.
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04-02-2024 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...annah-graziano

A dude kills his wife and then takes his 15yo daughter against her will. The police stop them and tell the 15yo girl to get out of the car and come to them and then when she does they shoot her dead.
damn.

a situation that perfectly encapsulates why we need police and also why we distrust/hate them. couple of thoughts:

-i think its pretty poor procedure to engage in a gunfight with a guy who has a hostage. granted, had this been in a more public environment, one could argue the cops have to take the risks and shoot back to prevent more than one murder. this does not seem like one of those situations.

-the cop yelling "come here" should be fired, at least and possibly charged with more. there is crossfire going on and she's lying on the ground. arguably the safest place she could be, all things considered.

-if they can isolate who actually shot the girl, said cop(s) should be tried for manslaughter at a minimum.

- the clear lack of training these guys have is disturbing. im friends with an ex-boston cop, who also served overseas. he said the training for the military dwarfs what cops get, which sort of bewilders me. these guys should be prepared for situations like this instead of allowing adrenaline to take over and just spamming the trigger.
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04-02-2024 , 06:37 PM
I won't say that it demonstrates that police are not needed, but I don't see how it demonstrates why we need cops.

The cops didn't shoot the girl because of lack of training imo. They did it because they are hyper-trained to tolerate as little danger as possible for any police officers and because of that they truly have adopted shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later.
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04-02-2024 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime
damn.

a situation that perfectly encapsulates why we need police and also why we distrust/hate them. couple of thoughts:

-i think its pretty poor procedure to engage in a gunfight with a guy who has a hostage. granted, had this been in a more public environment, one could argue the cops have to take the risks and shoot back to prevent more than one murder. this does not seem like one of those situations.

-the cop yelling "come here" should be fired, at least and possibly charged with more. there is crossfire going on and she's lying on the ground. arguably the safest place she could be, all things considered.

-if they can isolate who actually shot the girl, said cop(s) should be tried for manslaughter at a minimum.

- the clear lack of training these guys have is disturbing. im friends with an ex-boston cop, who also served overseas. he said the training for the military dwarfs what cops get, which sort of bewilders me. these guys should be prepared for situations like this instead of allowing adrenaline to take over and just spamming the trigger.
Police should be punished when it makes mistakes like this, that's very important.

Allowing them great latitude and an easy trigger has nothing to do with letting them kill complete innocents because they didn't understand a situation.

There are other instances of police just cold blood killing innocents. And they usually know they ****ed up. And they try to cover it. They should be punished really hard when they attempt cover ups
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04-02-2024 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I won't say that it demonstrates that police are not needed, but I don't see how it demonstrates why we need cops.

The cops didn't shoot the girl because of lack of training imo. They did it because they are hyper-trained to tolerate as little danger as possible for any police officers and because of that they truly have adopted shoot-first-and-ask-questions-later.
It’s from lack of training. Signed, people that have been trained.
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04-02-2024 , 07:55 PM
Cops are just god awful in these types of gun fights you see. I mean acorn guy and the dude running and shooting who kept hitting his mag release after 3 shots leaving a bunch of mostly full mags in his wake of some of my favorites as of late.
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04-02-2024 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...annah-graziano

A dude kills his wife and then takes his 15yo daughter against her will. The police stop them and tell the 15yo girl to get out of the car and come to them and then when she does they shoot her dead.
you forgot to point out a key point here.. the police lied about it for two years and tried to cover it up.

it'd be really cool and fun if we lived in a world where police officers that lie on their official reports are actually fired for doing so. i know it's a lot to ask for, but man, that would be nice.
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04-02-2024 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
you forgot to point out a key point here.. the police lied about it for two years and tried to cover it up.

it'd be really cool and fun if we lived in a world where police officers that lie on their official reports are actually fired for doing so. i know it's a lot to ask for, but man, that would be nice.
That's because they can have unions in the public sector, which always has horrific results, because they don't allow firing of even the worst offender (hint: it's identical everywhere in the public sector).

Public sector employees shouldn't be allowed to unionize (or be registered members of any party, like judges can't).
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