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06-28-2022 , 04:46 PM
Christina Applegate has MS. (married with children/ ed bundy) at 50 years old.

I actually met her and talked to her at an airport. she is a really nice person from what I can tell.
so I got sad hearing this.
does anyone know anything about her?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Applegate
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06-28-2022 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Ya i think a mix of train like function for dense traffic and more autonomous for open roads will be key.

That said, no, in train like connection no other vehicle would be likely to follow the first off the cliff as the point is they are always sharing that data and when a hazard is identified all instantly get that data to now utilize in re-routing.

It would be the more autonomous cars all more likely to go off the same cliff, if for instance a sink hole opens on a popular route and they all route that way because it is quickest without any data about this sudden hazard.
Identifying hazards real-time (e.g. driving in fog, mountain driving, flood zones, etc.) is a lot easier said than done. And what to do once a hazard is sensed is another matter as well.

Once human only driving is essentially outlawed for the majority of drivers, then it will be very easy to regulate driving in a way that precludes a lot of these scenarios. For example, mountain route A is no longer navigable unless you live there, which means you would be able to earn a class 2 license allowing for human driving on mountain roads. Bad weather would basically shut down all AI autonomous driving until the weather is safe enough to proceed. More people unable to get to work, more people unable to get from point A to B, more people restricted from operating a vehicle, etc.
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06-29-2022 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
Identifying hazards real-time (e.g. driving in fog, mountain driving, flood zones, etc.) is a lot easier said than done. And what to do once a hazard is sensed is another matter as well.

Once human only driving is essentially outlawed for the majority of drivers, then it will be very easy to regulate driving in a way that precludes a lot of these scenarios. For example, mountain route A is no longer navigable unless you live there, which means you would be able to earn a class 2 license allowing for human driving on mountain roads. Bad weather would basically shut down all AI autonomous driving until the weather is safe enough to proceed. More people unable to get to work, more people unable to get from point A to B, more people restricted from operating a vehicle, etc.
Some hazards yes (such as driving in blizzard) other hazards no (such as stalled car in middle lane of road).

The danger of a stalled car in the middle of the highway, unable to get to the shoulder often causes the biggest pile up and death tolls as the first cars with good visibility see it and swerve but ones after start slamming in to one another.

Networked AI would deal with that type of hazard much more efficiently even if the first car was unable to stop due to insufficient distance at recognition, but every car there after should easily avoid it.

Whatever the reason, every time I am forced to rapidly decelerate on a major highway, i am equally looking to see what the hazard is ahead as to why others are rapidly decelerating while anxiously checking my rear view to try and see if anyone is flying up behind oblivious. I am also looking if I have any options to escape should that rear hazard present. I am far more concerned about the person behind me inattention, than to my ability to deal with any hazard that exists in front of me.

But I agree with you that situations would present that AI would just shut down all vehicles and not operate until the situations improved.

For instance I am not sure that anything short of full sentient AI would be able to deal with the types of Canadian winter driving (winter squalls, black ice, fierce winds) as well as the better Cdn drivers learn to do thru experience. Dealing with squall like conditions and roads going from changing patches of exposed black ice thanks to winds, and then to better grip but snow covered constantly requires driving a lot by 'feel'.

One of the worst stretches of road in Canada for that is the highway that connects Calgary to Edmonton as you are going thru the Red Deer corridor. Wide open prairie fields on both sides of the highway that create fierce wind squalls and blinding snow, and ever shifting black ice patches that are exposed and then covered up and then exposed again as the snow shifts like the sands of a Dune.

I had to drive it each and every time, often several times a winter season, as none of my business partners felt comfortable enough driving in those conditions. The entire 3 hour drive, in good weather, would take 5 hours plus in storms like this, with cars littering the ditch the entire way. I actually really enjoy driving in the most challenging conditions (feeds my adrenaline junky brain) and I do so with safety being my highest priority as for me its a game of winning by beating the weather conditions and not letting them win, so i do everything to win and always have. No accidents yet despite more hours driving in those conditions than most people on this planet who are not professional drivers.

i struggle to see how all but the most advanced fully sentient AI would be able to navigate that and think it would just check out. I am sure chez would say 'and that is the right decision', to which I would not disagree for those extreme instances.
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06-29-2022 , 03:54 PM
Bad day for nonces as Ghislaine Maxwell gets 20 years and R Kelly gets a cool 30 year stretch, Off to Oz baby.
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06-29-2022 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Some hazards yes (such as driving in blizzard) other hazards no (such as stalled car in middle lane of road).

The danger of a stalled car in the middle of the highway, unable to get to the shoulder often causes the biggest pile up and death tolls as the first cars with good visibility see it and swerve but ones after start slamming in to one another.

Networked AI would deal with that type of hazard much more efficiently even if the first car was unable to stop due to insufficient distance at recognition, but every car there after should easily avoid it.
Automobiles have limitations, so expecting them to go from 70-zero in a few seconds may not be realistic.

But I am in full agreement that automobiles communicating with other automobiles is a huge win, even without AI autonomous driving.
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06-30-2022 , 10:01 AM
WE had a big drug seizure here in our city of Edmonton and what is scary they seized an opioid even stronger than Fentanyl

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One of the substances seized was initially reported as 10.5 kilograms of a synthetic opioid. It was later determined to be isotonitazene – a drug believed to be more potent than fentanyl.
https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2022/06...-bust-alberta/
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06-30-2022 , 10:42 AM
Time to just legalize heroin so people can be addicts safely. If you OD on the black market synthetic stuff after that, I don't know what to say.
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06-30-2022 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Time to just legalize heroin so people can be addicts safely. If you OD on the black market synthetic stuff after that, I don't know what to say.
They are saying just one shot of the Narcan will not work either it takes multiple. I am starting to think these dealers need to be charged with attempted murder
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06-30-2022 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
WE had a big drug seizure here in our city of Edmonton and what is scary they seized an opioid even stronger than Fentanyl



https://edmonton.citynews.ca/2022/06...-bust-alberta/
Poor Fort Mac is going to be dry for a while.

Oh well at least they should still have the hookers and gambling even if they don't have the blow.
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06-30-2022 , 03:49 PM
Bad day to be a nazi war criminal as 101 year old former camp guard convicted and sentenced to five years although it's unlikely he'll do any time due to his age
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ity-in-murders
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07-02-2022 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Time to just legalize heroin so people can be addicts safely. If you OD on the black market synthetic stuff after that, I don't know what to say.
They have basically tried to do this in San Francisco to extremely poor results so far. It seems for many (most?) people addiction to heroin and its derivatives is so strong that it is almost impossible to be a functional adult human being while on the drug. With many other drugs there are plenty of anecdotes of functional (and sometimes highly functional) people addicted to them for years. Heroin, not so much.
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07-02-2022 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNoGod2
They have basically tried to do this in San Francisco to extremely poor results so far. It seems for many (most?) people addiction to heroin and its derivatives is so strong that it is almost impossible to be a functional adult human being while on the drug. With many other drugs there are plenty of anecdotes of functional (and sometimes highly functional) people addicted to them for years. Heroin, not so much.
you have no clue what you are talking about.
people die of tampered drugs. you can really only win making it legal.

legalizing has major upsides which all experts agree on.

1) people don't die of overdoses/hiv
2) people don't die in the illegal drug traffic/war
3) people don't end up in jail where it only gets worse for them and the public.

do you have any idea how many people die every day from wrong dosage of tampered drugs? they take it anyways, but won't ever die from clean stuff. due to being illegal millions of people died and disappeared and were found in mass graves in the war on drugs in Mexico alone. Many crimes, around the world including gang crimes, including homicides are due to the drug being illegal. make it legal saves you money (taxes) and millions of lives every year, probably every month.

check out how it went for portugal.
https://time.com/longform/portugal-d...iminalization/

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/up...tment.amp.html


“Using those funds to treat people, instead of incarcerate them, could go a long way to addressing the harms of illicit drug use in the U.S.,” Professor Humphreys said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...tment.amp.html

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07-02-2022 , 01:05 PM
As Republican States continue to adapt and learn, the Mitch McConnell tactic of refusing to confirm positions when you have that power now goes to the next level.

Cliffs:

- 6 year appointment by Republican governor ends for Frederick Prehn
- Dem governor dose not renew his position and puts forth his own nominee
- Frederick Perhn squawks that Dem governor should have reappointed him and that there are a number of key votes he wants to participate in
-Frederick Perhn reaches out to GOP leadership who control the State Legislature telling them he does not want to go and there are these key votes coming up (GOP priorities) and so the GOP leadership just will not confirm the new nominee
- the loophole in the law says the prior guy gets to stay until the new guy is sworn in to maintain continuity
- State Supreme Court splits along ideological lines with the republican appointed judges all saying he does not have to go do to literal reading, while ignoring the practical applications of the law
- the norm is the New Governor gets his appointments and there is no real history of blocking that. This now means if either party controls a State Legislature they can flex a power to dictate to the Governor who will or will not be accepted, who will or will not be replaced, which is assuming a power that was never intended. It would be like Mitch saying to Obama, you can have your pick as long as you pick Kavanaugh. But no one else will pass.



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07-02-2022 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNoGod2
They have basically tried to do this in San Francisco to extremely poor results so far. It seems for many (most?) people addiction to heroin and its derivatives is so strong that it is almost impossible to be a functional adult human being while on the drug. With many other drugs there are plenty of anecdotes of functional (and sometimes highly functional) people addicted to them for years. Heroin, not so much.
I was talking legalize it to give people access to non fentanyl laced crap and have a consistent potency which would reduce OD's by a lot
Also there are plenty of functional heroin addicts and besides rewiring your brain to be a lifelong addict, pretty much every other drug, including alcohol, is worse for your body than clean heroin. Like you don't get kidney failure or something from doing (clean) heroin for 20 years.
But fentanyl unfortunately is here to stay even if we opened up free trade with Afghanistan and immediately made pharmacy grade stuff available right away.
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07-02-2022 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
As Republican States continue to adapt and learn, the Mitch McConnell tactic of refusing to confirm positions when you have that power now goes to the next level.

Cliffs:

- 6 year appointment by Republican governor ends for Frederick Prehn
- Dem governor dose not renew his position and puts forth his own nominee
- Frederick Perhn squawks that Dem governor should have reappointed him and that there are a number of key votes he wants to participate in
-Frederick Perhn reaches out to GOP leadership who control the State Legislature telling them he does not want to go and there are these key votes coming up (GOP priorities) and so the GOP leadership just will not confirm the new nominee
- the loophole in the law says the prior guy gets to stay until the new guy is sworn in to maintain continuity
- State Supreme Court splits along ideological lines with the republican appointed judges all saying he does not have to go do to literal reading, while ignoring the practical applications of the law
- the norm is the New Governor gets his appointments and there is no real history of blocking that. This now means if either party controls a State Legislature they can flex a power to dictate to the Governor who will or will not be accepted, who will or will not be replaced, which is assuming a power that was never intended. It would be like Mitch saying to Obama, you can have your pick as long as you pick Kavanaugh. But no one else will pass.



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If only there was a way to get rid of these state legislatures.

Maybe they could vote them out and run on Defund the police, Open Borders, Trump Bad, and let a man compete against your daughter in High School and college as well as Abrtions in the 9th month

I bet they could win with those platforms and Joe Biden as the nominee for President.

The GOP plays the long game and right now the Dems have no game
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07-02-2022 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
If only there was a way to get rid of these state legislatures.

Maybe they could vote them out and run on Defund the police, Open Borders, Trump Bad, and let a man compete against your daughter in High School and college as well as Abrtions in the 9th month

I bet they could win with those platforms and Joe Biden as the nominee for President.

The GOP plays the long game and right now the Dems have no game
lol at you being a complete derp.. but you're right about one thing., it's simply much easier to run on the one issue that republicans believe in, racism and bigotry.

also wisconsin is one of the most gerrymandered states in existence. so you cant "just get rid of the legislatures". because the corrupt legislatures have installed barriers.
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07-02-2022 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
you have no clue what you are talking about.
people die of tampered drugs. you can really only win making it legal.

legalizing has major upsides which all experts agree on.

1) people don't die of overdoses/hiv
2) people don't die in the illegal drug traffic/war
3) people don't end up in jail where it only gets worse for them and the public.

do you have any idea how many people die every day from wrong dosage of tampered drugs? they take it anyways, but won't ever die from clean stuff. due to being illegal millions of people died and disappeared and were found in mass graves in the war on drugs in Mexico alone. Many crimes, around the world including gang crimes, including homicides are due to the drug being illegal. make it legal saves you money (taxes) and millions of lives every year, probably every month.

check out how it went for portugal.
https://time.com/longform/portugal-d...iminalization/

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/up...tment.amp.html


“Using those funds to treat people, instead of incarcerate them, could go a long way to addressing the harms of illicit drug use in the U.S.,” Professor Humphreys said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...tment.amp.html
I cant get behind the NYT paywall. I did some reading on my own, and it seems the Portugal model is to decriminalize possession of "personal use" quantities of all drugs, including opiates. But it doesn't seem to say anything about legalized, regulated drug selling. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems the drugs are still being sold on the black market and subject to all the problems you bring up.

It seems many United States progressive locales have effectively followed the decriminalize personal use model, but without the positive results.
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07-02-2022 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
lol at you being a complete derp.. but you're right about one thing., it's simply much easier to run on the one issue that republicans believe in, racism and bigotry.

also wisconsin is one of the most gerrymandered states in existence. so you cant "just get rid of the legislatures". because the corrupt legislatures have installed barriers.
Yup and we know the GOP are the only guilty of gerrymandering.

Yup just keep calling Republicans racists, deplorables and bigots seems to be working
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07-02-2022 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
If only there was a way to get rid of these state legislatures.

Maybe they could vote them out and run on Defund the police, Open Borders, Trump Bad, and let a man compete against your daughter in High School and college as well as Abrtions in the 9th month

I bet they could win with those platforms and Joe Biden as the nominee for President.

The GOP plays the long game and right now the Dems have no game
Compare with what ?

Armed school
Install a theocracy .
Alienate science
Governing on lies and fairy tales instead of thruth and facts .
Not respecting democratic institutions and values
(Trying to revoke in not far future laws against discrimination)

I mean yes democrats are so much worst ….
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07-02-2022 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNoGod2
I cant get behind the NYT paywall. I did some reading on my own, and it seems the Portugal model is to decriminalize possession of "personal use" quantities of all drugs, including opiates. But it doesn't seem to say anything about legalized, regulated drug selling. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems the drugs are still being sold on the black market and subject to all the problems you bring up.

It seems many United States progressive locales have effectively followed the decriminalize personal use model, but without the positive results.

Spoiler:







Pointers From Portugal on Addiction and the Drug War
Decriminalization involves trade-offs, but treating addiction as a disease yields a clear gain, research suggests.


Smoking a cigarette after leaving a methadone clinic in Lisbon. Portugal has treated addiction as a disease rather than a criminal issue. Credit...Daniel Rodrigues for The New York Times

By Austin Frakt
Published Oct. 5, 2020
Updated Oct. 6, 2020
Many people point to Portugal as an example for the United States to emulate in dealing with illicit drugs.

But Portugal’s experience is often misunderstood. Although it decriminalized the use of all illicit drugs in small amounts in 2001, including heroin and cocaine, that’s different from making them legal. And it did not decriminalize drug trafficking, which would typically involve larger quantities.

Portugal’s law removed incarceration, but people caught possessing or using illicit drugs may be penalized by regional panels made up of social workers, medical professionals and drug experts. The panels can refer people to drug treatment programs, hand out fines or impose community service.

A lot of the benefits over the years from Portugal’s policy shift have come not from decriminalization per se, but in the expansion of substance-use disorder treatment. Such a move might bring the most tangible benefit to the United States.

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After decriminalization, the number of people in Portugal receiving drug addiction treatment rose, according to a study by Hannah Laqueur, an assistant professor in the Department of Emergency Medicine at the University of California, Davis. Moreover, as of 2008, three-quarters of those with opioid use disorder were receiving medication-assisted treatment. Though that’s considered the best approach, less than half of Americans who could benefit from medication-assisted treatment for opioid addiction receive it.

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“Most accounts of the Portugal experiment have focused on decriminalization, but decriminalization was part of a broader effort intended to encourage treatment,” Professor Laqueur said.

In turn, the country made financial investments in harm reduction and treatment services. Research in the United States shows a dollar spent on treatment saves more than a dollar in crime reduction.

Opioid overdose deaths fell after Portugal’s policy change. So did new cases of diseases associated with injection drug use, such as hepatitis C and H.I.V. This latter change could also be a result of increases in needle exchange programs in the country. Those programs often meet opposition in the United States, but a cost-effectiveness analysis published in 2014 replicated the research of others in finding that a dollar invested in syringe exchange programs in the United States saves at least six dollars in avoided costs associated with H.I.V. alone.

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Harm reduction through needle exchanges and greater treatment availability are among the reasons for the wide disparity in drug overdose deaths between the United States (with a rising and staggering total of nearly 72,000 last year) and European countries like Portugal (which typically has well below 100 such deaths a year). These reflect a different mind-set on addiction; in Portugal, it’s treated strictly as a disease.

Not everything got better immediately after Portugal’s shift. One study found an increase in drug experimentation after the law. But this was a transient effect — most experimentation did not lead to regular drug use.

Murders increased by 41 percent in the five years after the drug reform law (after which they fell), and drug trafficking grew. These could be related.

“Any change in the drug market can bring about violence,” said Keith Humphreys, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Stanford University. “Drug traffickers may have incorrectly understood the Portuguese law as a sign the country was a safe place to expand their business, leading to clashes among them and between them and the police.”

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One way much of the United States is similar to Portugal is that penalties for cannabis use have fallen. Portugal’s regional panels typically impose no penalties for cannabis use, the most-used illicit drug in Portugal. In the United States, most states have legalized medical marijuana, and some have legalized it for recreational use

One consequence of ending incarceration as a penalty in Portugal is that prison overcrowding decreased. The same would be expected to occur in the United States.

It’s important to note that we don’t know what would have happened in Portugal had the 2001 drug reforms not occurred, so findings should be taken with a grain of salt. Some of the observed changes could result from trends predating the change in laws. For example, even before the 2001 law, those convicted of drug use were typically fined, not incarcerated. In each of the eight years before the 2001 law, the number of people incarcerated for drug use was no higher than 42 and was as low as four. (Portugal’s population is roughly that of the Chicago metro area, about 10 million.)

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From the war on drugs to today’s marijuana legalization, U.S. drug laws and attitudes have grown more relaxed over the decades. But whether the United States could see the same benefits as Portugal if it went further and followed the path of decriminalization is less clear. In drug policy, there are many trade-offs. Though we may not have strong evidence that drug decriminalization alone is widely beneficial, we also lack compelling evidence of benefits from criminalizing drug use, which costs the United States billions of dollars annually, much of it because of incarceration.

“Using those funds to treat people, instead of incarcerate them, could go a long way to addressing the harms of illicit drug use in the U.S.,” Professor Humphreys said.

Austin Frakt is director of the Partnered Evidence-Based Policy Resource Center at the V.A. Boston Healthcare System; associate professor with Boston University’s School of Public Health; and a senior research scientist with the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. He blogs at The Incidental Economist, and you can follow him on Twitter at @afrakt
copied the whole thing. I think you can beat the paywall by clicking my Google link or by copy pasting the link into Google and click search. then click the first hit.


they decriminlized every drug for personal use. not the trafficking of course. but that's the first steps into the right direction.

the major problems come from the drug trade being in the hands of criminals.

those problems are crimes and violence and
the user gets bad quality that he dies from. for the user that is real Russian roulette.

so the only answer to this is to put in into the hands of the government. this is a very advanced method but the only way to cut out all the crap.

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07-03-2022 , 01:13 PM
https://simpleflying.com/emirates-ai...e-in-fuselage/

not flying emirates, best service doesn't justify bad judgment imo.
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07-03-2022 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
https://simpleflying.com/emirates-ai...e-in-fuselage/

not flying emirates, best service doesn't justify bad judgment imo.

and here their pilot did the same nonsense, damaged but keep going lol.

https://liveandletsfly.com/ek231/
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07-03-2022 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Yup and we know the GOP are the only guilty of gerrymandering.

Yup just keep calling Republicans racists, deplorables and bigots seems to be working
you specifically tried to talk about wisconsin. your point was incredibly nonsensical.

they are only two kinds of republicans. the racists, deplorables, and bigots.. and the ones that think racism and bigotry isn't a deal breaker. that's it.. there is literally no one else.
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07-07-2022 , 09:49 AM
Is anyone else following the Dutch farmer protests at all? Pretty wild stuff. I find it very interesting that such a seemingly big story is being completely ignored by American MSM. I assume European based media is actually following this story?
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07-07-2022 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TheNoGod2
Is anyone else following the Dutch farmer protests at all? Pretty wild stuff. I find it very interesting that such a seemingly big story is being completely ignored by American MSM. I assume European based media is actually following this story?
I saw a little blip on the news that the cops fired on them? Didn't follow up.
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