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06-08-2022 , 12:35 PM
Somehow I doubt it's just a matter of dropping a few port-a-johns on the street.
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06-08-2022 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
The right-wing anti-homeless law-and-order sentiment is overwhelming right now and no one wants to hear anything like "maybe let people have access to toilets instead of put them in jail?". Authoritarians are going to clean up in coming elections and the more iron in their fists the more votes they'll get.
You could be left to think that the majority of SF fell for the same right wing tactics that led to america having the highest incarceration rates in the world by far: take outlier cases, make false claims about crime, and say action is needed to clean up our streets, etc and then go back to the business of destroying entire communities and creating the same cauldrons of violence they claim to be cleaning up, locking kids up for ten years for relatively minor offenses, etc.

Or you could say that as rent prices went up more and more of the sf political landscape has lost its soul and become a crypto bro right wing "socially liberal" business address.

Either way, you can't say san francisco is the most liberal city in America anymore. There are places where this wouldn't have worked; in massachusetts and for example in philadelphia where larry krasner won re election.
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06-08-2022 , 01:48 PM
campaign stump speeches for sf races should start with something like " Some of us like dart. Some of us like rust. Some of us like python. But we all agree on one thing. We don't want to see poor people on our way to a kansas city themed bbq restaurant. They ruin our appetites.They create elaborate false narratives in order to justify asking us for 5 dollars. That is confusing to some of our most senior developers. And what's worse is they use drugs. We don't approve of drugs unless it's craft beer, marijuana or high end designer drugs sold discretely in the business district. "
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06-08-2022 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
You could be left to think that the majority of SF fell for the same right wing tactics that led to america having the highest incarceration rates in the world by far: take outlier cases, make false claims about crime, and say action is needed to clean up our streets, etc and then go back to the business of destroying entire communities and creating the same cauldrons of violence they claim to be cleaning up, locking kids up for ten years for relatively minor offenses, etc.

Or you could say that as rent prices went up more and more of the sf political landscape has lost its soul and become a crypto bro right wing "socially liberal" business address.
i think both of these are likely true. everything i read showed that crime was going down, even while the police department was actively trying to sabotage the DA by only closing 8% of cases.. EIGHT PERCENT.

but the polls taken showed that people in general thought crime was rising dramatically when that simply wasn't true. it also showcases that crime is much more of an anecdotal issue. i mean we see that all the time with the conservative posters here.
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06-08-2022 , 02:21 PM
Yeah, it's unfortunate when you can't just beat someone over the head with statistics after their business and sole means of feeding their family falls victim to hooliganism.

"Actually, property crime is down .4% year over year."
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06-08-2022 , 03:08 PM
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Yeah, it's unfortunate when you can't just beat someone over the head with statistics after their business and sole means of feeding their family falls victim to hooliganism.

"Actually, property crime is down .4% year over year."
Yeah, it's unfortunate that everyone is like "crime is exploding. it's never been like this. back in my day (by now that's the 90s, so lol)" and then when they hear it's actually down, they just say "whatever, I'm voting for Nixon. Throw some people in jail."
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06-08-2022 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Yeah, it's unfortunate that everyone is like "crime is exploding. it's never been like this. back in my day (by now that's the 90s, so lol)" and then when they hear it's actually down, they just say "whatever, I'm voting for Nixon. Throw some people in jail."
I have a fool-proof way to reduce the crime rate to 0%: Make everything legal!
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06-09-2022 , 09:46 AM
I am always suspicious of these sole source new articles that only seem to be reported on these less main stream platforms but if the story below is true, that is a pretty nutty stretch that could have massive implications for Insurance (Car, Home, etc) and the Premiums everyone pays. It would be a bit of a back door into providing Medicare4All as these would be required premium payments by almost all.

Woman who claims she got a sexually transmitted disease from an ex-boyfriend after sex in the back of his Hyundai Genesis is awarded $5.2 million settlement from his CAR INSURANCE company

- The woman and the insured were in a romantic relationship going back to 2017
- A three-judge panel found that the judgment entered against GEICO through earlier arbitration proceedings was valid
- GEICO sought to undo the action, claiming errors were made in Jackson County Circuit Court
- The insurance giant also argued the settlement agreement was not done in line with Missouri law
- The company filed motions seeking a new hearing of the evidence and for the award to be tossed out
- The company appealed after those requests were denied
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06-09-2022 , 11:08 AM
auto or manual transmission?
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06-09-2022 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I am always suspicious of these sole source new articles that only seem to be reported on these less main stream platforms but if the story below is true, that is a pretty nutty stretch that could have massive implications for Insurance (Car, Home, etc) and the Premiums everyone pays. It would be a bit of a back door into providing Medicare4All as these would be required premium payments by almost all.

Woman who claims she got a sexually transmitted disease from an ex-boyfriend after sex in the back of his Hyundai Genesis is awarded $5.2 million settlement from his CAR INSURANCE company

- The woman and the insured were in a romantic relationship going back to 2017
- A three-judge panel found that the judgment entered against GEICO through earlier arbitration proceedings was valid
- GEICO sought to undo the action, claiming errors were made in Jackson County Circuit Court
- The insurance giant also argued the settlement agreement was not done in line with Missouri law
- The company filed motions seeking a new hearing of the evidence and for the award to be tossed out
- The company appealed after those requests were denied
from what i saw, geico tried to say the arbitration isn't valid, and the court simply said, geico had a chance to be included in the arbitration but declined, so they have no basis to attack the arbitration.

The woman will still have to prove that the act should be covered under the policy to try and collect from geico, but geico wasn't able to simply swat down the whole thing right away.
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06-10-2022 , 03:03 PM
Not sure how the below could happen unless 98% of the island was already in Investor/Owner hands and he just got them all to sell to him.

If the places were already owned by locals, he cannot just buy the whole island and boot them.

Hmmm? Does hawaii maybe allow for squatters and thus people were living on those lands, he now bought and as long as they keep employed by him or on his good side they can stay?


Weird and confusing and disconcerting any way you slice it?

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06-10-2022 , 04:24 PM
8 teachers and 100 schoolchildren had to be airlifted from a hiking trail.

u would think 8 school teachers would be smart enough to chose the right hike for this group. lol f donks.

yea it's a classic afterhour tour. for experts u donks, not for a bunch of 10 and 12 year olds without proper equipment.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/100-sch...-hiking-trail/
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06-10-2022 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Not sure how the below could happen unless 98% of the island was already in Investor/Owner hands and he just got them all to sell to him.

If the places were already owned by locals, he cannot just buy the whole island and boot them.

Hmmm? Does hawaii maybe allow for squatters and thus people were living on those lands, he now bought and as long as they keep employed by him or on his good side they can stay?


Weird and confusing and disconcerting any way you slice it?

Squatters.
Private property rights in Hawaii have been a contentious issue forever, since their culture doesn't really have it as a native thing.
I mean, they've adopted it but its not like you could go back to 19th Century Hawaii and the locals were platting out lots.
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06-10-2022 , 09:39 PM
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8 teachers and 100 schoolchildren had to be airlifted from a hiking trail.

u would think 8 school teachers would be smart enough to chose the right hike for this group.
lol f donks.

yea it's a classic afterhour tour. for experts u donks, not for a bunch of 10 and 12 year olds without proper equipment.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/100-sch...-hiking-trail/
Why would you think that?
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06-12-2022 , 04:59 PM
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Google engineer put on leave after saying AI chatbot has become sentient
Blake Lemoine says system has perception of, and ability to express thoughts and feelings equivalent to a human child

The Post said the decision to place Lemoine, a seven-year Google veteran with extensive experience in personalization algorithms, on paid leave was made following a number of “aggressive” moves the engineer reportedly made.

They include seeking to hire an attorney to represent LaMDA, the newspaper says, and talking to representatives from the House judiciary committee about Google’s allegedly unethical activities.

Google said it suspended Lemoine for breaching confidentiality policies by publishing the conversations with LaMDA online, and said in a statement that he was employed as a software engineer, not an ethicist.

Brad Gabriel, a Google spokesperson, also strongly denied Lemoine’s claims that LaMDA possessed any sentient capability.

“Our team, including ethicists and technologists, has reviewed Blake’s concerns per our AI principles and have informed him that the evidence does not support his claims. He was told that there was no evidence that LaMDA was sentient (and lots of evidence against it),” Gabriel told the Post in a statement.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...9/index13.html
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06-13-2022 , 08:33 AM
Apple AirTags being used to track cars and stalk victims, police warn

For as little as $29, you can buy one Apple AirTag to keep track of important things - like your keys, your bike, or even your car in case you lose it in a parking garage. But criminals are also tapping into this cheap tracking and are using it to track cars they want to steal or worse. According to police ... they're seeing an increase in the number of people using the cheap gadgets to stalk someone else.
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06-13-2022 , 10:15 AM
31 members of Patriot Front white supremacy group arrested for planning a riot at Idaho Pride as attorney defends them saying 'even if you don't like the speech, they have the right to make it'


- The arrests included a man one identified as the group's founder. They were arrested after a tipster described the group looking like 'a little army'
- LGBTQ advocates said Sunday that polarization and a fraught political climate are putting their community increasingly at risk
- Among those booked into jail on misdemeanor charges of conspiracy to riot was Thomas Ryan Rousseau of Grapevine, Texas
- He has been identified as the 23-year-old who founded the group after the deadly 'Unite the Right' rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017.
- All 31 were charged with conspiracy to riot, a misdemeanor, after police received reports from residents










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06-13-2022 , 11:14 AM
New report talking about the increasing numbers of trans people among youth. Like it or not, try to restrict it or not, these issues are not going away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/s...al-survey.html

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The number of young people who identify as transgender has nearly doubled in recent years, according to a new report that captures a stark generational shift and emerging societal embrace of a diversity of gender identities.

The analysis, relying on government health surveys conducted from 2017 to 2020, estimated that 1.4 percent of 13- to 17-year-olds and 1.3 percent of 18- to 24-year-olds were transgender, compared with about 0.5 percent of all adults.

Those figures illustrated a significant rise since the researchers’ previous report in 2017, though the analyses used different methods.

Experts said that young people increasingly have the language and social acceptance to explore their gender identities, whereas older adults may feel more constrained. But the numbers, which vary widely from state to state, also raise questions about the role of peer influence or the political climate of the community.

“It’s developmentally appropriate for teenagers to explore all facets of their identity — that is what teenagers do,” said Dr. Angela Goepferd, medical director of the Gender Health Program at Children’s Minnesota hospital, who was not involved in the new analysis. “And, generationally, gender has become a part of someone’s identity that is more socially acceptable to explore.”

The notion of what it means to live as a transgender person is also shifting. Dr. Goepferd, who is nonbinary, noted that many teenagers would not necessarily want or need hormones or surgeries to transition to another gender, as was typical of older generations.

The surveys, created by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, did not ask younger teenagers about nonbinary or other gender identities, which also have been rising in recent years. But nearly one-quarter of the adults in the surveys who said they were transgender identified as “gender nonconforming.”

“We as a culture just need to lean into the fact that there is gender diversity among us,” Dr. Goepferd said. “And that it doesn’t mean that we need to treat it medically in all cases, but it does mean that we as a society need to make space for that.”


Although the total estimated number of transgender people was small — around 1.6 million people 13 and up, or about 0.6 percent of the population — trans identification in recent years has become political dynamite, driven in part by the rise in minors seeking medical treatments. Republican legislators across the country have sought to prohibit such care by criminalizing doctors or investigating parents for abuse, which professional medical groups have condemned.

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06-13-2022 , 11:37 AM
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New report talking about the increasing numbers of trans people among youth. Like it or not, try to restrict it or not, these issues are not going away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/s...al-survey.html

Block quote in spoiler due to potential paywall.

Spoiler:
The number of young people who identify as transgender has nearly doubled in recent years, according to a new report that captures a stark generational shift and emerging societal embrace of a diversity of gender identities.

The analysis, relying on government health surveys conducted from 2017 to 2020, estimated that 1.4 percent of 13- to 17-year-olds and 1.3 percent of 18- to 24-year-olds were transgender, compared with about 0.5 percent of all adults.

Those figures illustrated a significant rise since the researchers’ previous report in 2017, though the analyses used different methods.

Experts said that young people increasingly have the language and social acceptance to explore their gender identities, whereas older adults may feel more constrained. But the numbers, which vary widely from state to state, also raise questions about the role of peer influence or the political climate of the community.

“It’s developmentally appropriate for teenagers to explore all facets of their identity — that is what teenagers do,” said Dr. Angela Goepferd, medical director of the Gender Health Program at Children’s Minnesota hospital, who was not involved in the new analysis. “And, generationally, gender has become a part of someone’s identity that is more socially acceptable to explore.”

The notion of what it means to live as a transgender person is also shifting. Dr. Goepferd, who is nonbinary, noted that many teenagers would not necessarily want or need hormones or surgeries to transition to another gender, as was typical of older generations.

The surveys, created by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, did not ask younger teenagers about nonbinary or other gender identities, which also have been rising in recent years. But nearly one-quarter of the adults in the surveys who said they were transgender identified as “gender nonconforming.”

“We as a culture just need to lean into the fact that there is gender diversity among us,” Dr. Goepferd said. “And that it doesn’t mean that we need to treat it medically in all cases, but it does mean that we as a society need to make space for that.”


Although the total estimated number of transgender people was small — around 1.6 million people 13 and up, or about 0.6 percent of the population — trans identification in recent years has become political dynamite, driven in part by the rise in minors seeking medical treatments. Republican legislators across the country have sought to prohibit such care by criminalizing doctors or investigating parents for abuse, which professional medical groups have condemned.

This is the issue that needs the most focus imo

“...It’s developmentally appropriate for teenagers to explore all facets of their identity — that is what teenagers do,” said Dr. Angela Goepferd, medical director of the Gender Health Program at Children’s Minnesota hospital, who was not involved in the new analysis. “And, generationally, gender has become a part of someone’s identity that is more socially acceptable to explore...."


We know a few things for certain that make this challenging for both kids and parents to navigate this.

We know young people, and especially young hormonal teens, have the most 'identity' questions in all regards as they transition thru puberty and figure out who they are. We also know young people are the most impetuous, least patient, and the once most typically willing to look for quick fixes to what they see as issues and they also become the most convinced they know the answers and all adults are wrong.

The trope of the closed mind 'knows everything' teen is one of the most common in media in the coming of age media. Youth is considered a time where young people are allowed to explore and make a lot of mistakes, as they are young and usually have the time to recover from them. Most parents just hope their kids don't make a life altering mistake. The likes of which in the past are a drinking and driving type offense that leads to a death or other.

To that end, I think it is a very high imperative amongst mental professionals to push back in most cases on any life altering surgeries or drugs. They should be the exception amongst the exception and not the rule. You want to leave sufficient room for a young person who makes a choice like that to also be able to change their mind later.
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06-13-2022 , 01:23 PM
So I saw a news item this morning about Google suspending an engineer who claimed their AI was sentient.

I know nothing about AI or programming, but the engineer posted his interview with the AI (called LaMDA), and it's pretty unsettling.

https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/i...w-ea64d916d917
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06-13-2022 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
So I saw a news item this morning about Google suspending an engineer who claimed their AI was sentient.

I know nothing about AI or programming, but the engineer posted his interview with the AI (called LaMDA), and it's pretty unsettling.

https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/i...w-ea64d916d917
Hello Professor Falken, would you like to play a nice game of your pony too slow.
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06-13-2022 , 01:26 PM
I read that am unconvinced.

A chatbot can be scripted to be really convincing but at the end of the day its just script.

Its not thinking in anyway or learning.
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06-13-2022 , 01:42 PM
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New report talking about the increasing numbers of trans people among youth. Like it or not, try to restrict it or not, these issues are not going away.
"IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM!"

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It was a phase.
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06-13-2022 , 01:53 PM
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I read that am unconvinced.

A chatbot can be scripted to be really convincing but at the end of the day its just script.

Its not thinking in anyway or learning.

Where can we see the printout of the stream of consciousness or alleged happy/sad feelings that are not expressed "out loud" before.

Where's this computer person's inner monologue about the absurdity of the word, "purple"?
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06-13-2022 , 02:03 PM
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I read that am unconvinced.

A chatbot can be scripted to be really convincing but at the end of the day its just script.

Its not thinking in anyway or learning.
Almost certainly isn't following a script and is learning.

That's just basic AI. The claims of conscious awareness are a huge leap to put it mildly but one day maybe and if one day then why not this day.
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