Lmao, Joe Exotic is a ****ing legend.

Just a US political party boasting about having (possible) terrorists groups make a show of force to cow the opposition.

Yeah. It makes me wonder whether he’s just that stupid or he thinks we are that stupid.

Relax, they’re just joking around.

I guess instead of kneeling, the GOP would have preferred NFL players to show up at their local city hall brandishing guns.

Is there a way to make another IDW thread but ban talk of the race genetics stuff? I didn't understand while it got so much attn in the first place with 1/160 of Harris' podcasts cover the issue.

Anyway, noted white supremacist Sam Harris begins his latest podcast with Jared Diamond saying he is probably in favor or reparations, although it is a difficult question

I'll hang up and listen now, excited to hear author of one of my favorite books "Guns,Germs and Steal" interviewed. Weird how white supremacist Sam would allow such a guest, as if you read said book it may be the best argument against racism

What do you think about just having a Political Podcasts thread, not limited to the IDW?

That's not a strong "no" on an IDW thread part deux, fwiw but I wonder if a podcast thread might avoid some of the more problematic topics.

thumbs up

eta:

I would be very interested in said thread (although mainly a lurker, I've been pretty inactive in posting on the internet as of late, with a goal of getting it down to 0)

That said,

coming from the center right, the political podcasts I currently listen to our
Commentary
538
Harris (to the extent it's political, wide range of subjects)
Weeds very occasionally
Tried 2 episodes of el chapo, never again

I really appreciate your argumentation/persuasion style well named, and despite what appears to be a ton of hate directed your way, I think this forum has improved (again, only a casual lurker so take it with a grain of salt)

I would appreciate recommendations for center left political podcasts (538 is kind of one, but obv they focus almost entirely on polling)

“Some of my best friends aren’t racists!”

egg on face, I posted that before listening, Harris does bring up the murray stuff when talking Guns,Germs and Steal. It was interesting to hear Diamond got push back, had to hire security guards, for himself being a racist after publishing G,G,S

It's been years since I read it, but I couldn't help but come away with the impression "how can anyone advocate western society being superior to a
Aricans or New Guineans (Diamond's expertise) after reading this

This is one of those topics that came up from time to time in a previous iteration of the politics forum that (ironically enough) didn't allow for free discussion. In academia, environmental determinism had pretty much been tossed out along with phrenology and social darwinism despite the fact that it has always maintained a popular appeal (I am sure Juan Valdez can elaborate). GGS doesn't quite carry the stigma of the Bell Curve but you can certainly get an earful in some quarters.

The thing is, I'm probably the worst person to start a podcasts thread, because I don't listen to any of them (I seem to lack the attention span for everything that's not text; a personal failing I'm sure... :P)

So I was rather hoping you would start one if you wanted one. Although I can be persuaded to do it. But my OP would be very lame.

Thanks also for the compliment. Of course I do all this merely to satisfy my own twisted whims, but it looks good on my mod performance review if at least one other person likes it...

I'm not the person haha like I said I only lurk, and am about to ask a mod to nuke my entire 2+2 history anyway.

If anyone else has suggestions for podcasts from the centerish left, I'm all ears and would be thankful. I've been trying to eliminate as much as possible bubbles of opinion from my life this past year, but can do better

I do listen to Harris though, so perhaps I'm a lost cause and future nazi according to some of y'all. My 3/4 mexican 1/4 spanish wife is really going to find this news unfortunate in the future

I’ll start a podcast thread later today. The title is probably going to be “the podcast thread” though, so if someone wants something witty, they should act now.

Just name this forum the Jordan Peterson Appreciation Society imo.

I remember reading GGS years ago and thinking that it was completely obvious and non controversial that societies environmentally situated to take full advantage of the agrarian revolution would do better than those that weren’t (depending on ones value judgements. One could argue that destroying the natural world through progress actually isn’t better)

I am not surprised that Diamond would be attacked from the left, just because that is what the left does. But I am interested in listening to the podcast and hearing him get into the weeds about the attack strategy, because it isn’t obvious to me what it is.

I don’t have forum naming privileges. But if a mod decided to do so, I wouldn’t object.

They don't spend a lot of time on the nature of threats, just that he had to add a security fence and hire 2 body guards while he lectured.

I mean, I started this convo and have never mentioned, nor listened to more than maybe 3 hours of podcasts he was a guest on.

I asked for recommendations from people like yourself who assume I'm some basement dweller resentful at the world misfit (at least thats how fly charaterized every single person who finds some of the things the "IDW" says interesting")

When I say "people like yourself" I'm assuming the podcasts you listen to are the ones I'm asking about that are worth a listen

cheers

I have no idea why you're so defensive in every post, but as far as podcasts go I'm a fan of Mission to Zyxx and I Don't Even Own a Television.

I am sure Trolly was just trolling me.

I have a number of trolls that follow me around the forum. If you stick around I am sure you’ll figure out who they are and recognize they are just going after me, and not have to deal or worry about them too much, unless you want to.

But what if a US court orders it to be renamed?

The weeds and Ezra Klein’s podcast are very good, Center left.

Just listened to it. Was a very good podcast overall IMO. Diamond came off extremely interesting and insightful IMO. I have hardcopies of GGS and Collapse floating around somewhere, but now that I don't read physical books anymore I will probably download the new one and read it very soon.

I did find it a little amusing how Harris tried a couple times to bait Diamond into criticizing the left, and Diamond would always turn it around and criticize the right instead.

Well, Diamond addresses this. I am paraphrasing, but he basically says when he was in New Guinea one of the locals asked him point blank why white men have so much more **** than they did, and he admitted he didn't have a very good answer. So he decided to research and answer the question himself, and GGS is the culmination of those efforts. And once you get past all the preaching and moralizing and name calling (these are my own words, he was much more diplomatic) no one has yet come up with a better theory, so it is what it is.

One anecdote from the pod that was amusing, that Harris brought up the topic of probable genetic divergence explaining why traits, including mental ones, may vary between isolated populations; and Diamond said he agreed, but took it in an interesting direction. He argued that for mainland populations, the most intense evolutionary pressure was due to disease, so much of our evolution was focused towards disease resistance. In New Guinea, which didn't have this selective pressure, he hypothesized there was possibly more evolution for situational intelligence; which could explain why he found the average New Guinea person to be much more mentally acute and curious about the world than the average white westerner. (That was me paraphrasing what I remember him saying, so don't get too caught up in specific word choices, but I think I got the broad strokes right)