If we say we’re sorry can we really come back? Plus, we have more stuff than the EU, so you won't have to deal with that little issue either.

No need to apologise. We will even let you play cricket again.

To be fair he said it wasn't minority rule itself that he likes. It's just a convenient pretext for his real reason to not support democracy, property rights. That's why he'll support majority rule for Republicans in Texas (I know he didn't say this but I'd assume so given that he said it's not about minority rule itself) and minority rule for Republicans in Wisconsin. The whole Federalist Papers Madison quoting is just a flimsy cover.

If you haven't already read Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, you should. One of America's greatest pieces of oration:

Following up on this

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/c...emocracy-trump

If push comes to shove most classical liberals would throw democracy under the bus as well. Same with some varieties of bleeding-heart libertarianism (neoclassical liberalism) my views mostly align with. At the end of the day majority rule is no guarantee of classically liberal values and consequently shouldn’t be given the exalted or top-level unquestioned status some give it.

Maybe, but let's tie that in with Walkers comments. Why do you think Republicans deserve to minority rule in Wisconsin and majority rule in Texas?

I really don’t know in regard to those particular instances. I agreed with him in a general sense in regard to his position on proportional representation.

Way to go twitter mob.

His position isn't proportional representation as a concept though. It's a barely concealed post hoc rationalization of the true rule of representation, that Republicans are rightful rulers and Democrats aka liberals and minorities aren't.

It's not like Wisconsin laid out some calculations that, using Walker's reasoning, we should weigh rural voters 10% more than urban voters and he's defending that calculation. Right or wrong that's some objective criteria. Instead the Republican legislators said, "what's the maximum amount of Republicans we can legally have?" and that's what they aimed for.

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Has there been any effort to doxx ICE agents? Seems like that’s a way better way of hitting back at the injustice rather than doxxing some poor woman who is actually an ally of your cause.

Then I agree with what he said about proportional representation in principle.

How much $$ do you think ICE agents make?

It always confused me how all these identity politics movements always go after low-middle class employees doing their jobs, as opposed to the elites who are benefiting from this labor.

That is it confused me until I realized that identity politics movements main purpose is for proletariat classes to fight each other while the elites reap the rewards.

Predominately Going after the working class is a feature, not a bug, of the identity politics movement.

Income would actually need to be distributed for income distribution to be a zero-sum game; since it’s not it’s not and regardless no it doesn't come "at the cost of those at the bottom."

That's what's so good about, say, Warren's requiring workers to be placed on boards or, say, required sectoral bargaining so that the end result would be that more money would go to workers, but since income is never distributed only redistributed and neither of those situations require taxing and spending there's no problem with it. It was perfectly natural the whole time.

Will Wilkinson is good on this anti-democratic tendency among libertarians and classical liberals.

I’m about as concerned with what ICE agents make as I am with what the guards at Auschwitz made. This is a moral issue not a class issue.

But that’s not really my point. My point is that ICE agents are clearly the more worthy target of social shaming and harassment should the mob’s cause be just(and I haven’t done the deep dive into this issue to be convinced it is, but it doesn’t look good for the detention centers). But the mob chooses the easy defenseless target rather than the tough but deserving one. Which I guess is maybe just human nature. I don’t like it though.

I agree he’s “good” in a descriptive sense but I don’t see his analysis as persuasive. For me it doesn’t really matter why people hold property rights as absolute, oppose socialism, are skeptical of democracy, prone to authoritarianism, etc. What’s relevant is that they do and they comprise a significant percentage of the population and they’re not going away quietly into the night despite a numerical disadvantage. That’s why I favor minority rights in this sense, because if their grievances go unaddressed and they become more and more politically disenfranchised, it won’t end well.

Actually, that is the point. You are supposed to think it is a moral issue, not a class issue, and be morally outraged at the guy making 40k/year and in your moral panic be completely unable to see why what you just said is absurd.

Given how easy you have buy into the blue pill moral outrage of our day, if you had lived in Nazi Germany during the 1940s you would be much more likely to have been a Aushwitz guard than someone who opposed Naziism.

This is actually generally true of anyone that buys into ideological narratives (right or left). Believe it or not, it is the psychological desire to moralize and buy into tribal disgust unquestionably (and so be a welcome member of the tribe) that makes a good soldier for the cause. Once you find such people, it is actually easy to mold them to whatever cause you choose.

I actually find it ironic how people like me and Luckbox are called Nazi sympathizers, when it is actually the exact opposite. Open people with extremely low disgust and skepticism of majority moral panics are actually the last people that a recruiter for an ideological cause such as Naziism would look for.

Hi!

Is it a great no-no(?), but where did the old Politics go? I mean the active spin off. I understand 2+2 doesn't have any responsibility for their doings, but couldn't find it googling. Would like to see how the project turned out. Thanks!

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Did you just make an analogy between ICE agents and Jews in the ****ing holocaust?

The real mark of not being a Nazi sympathizer is being brave enough to sympathize with Nazis. Airtight logic, there, all those hours listening to podcasts by grifters and cranks really ****ing paid off.

Yo, when infant Nazism is the moral panic, skepticism of moral panics is not a virtue. Reading Richard Spencer or Charles Murray with low amounts of disgust is not enlightenment.