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07-01-2019 , 03:59 PM
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NY Times on 5 years of legal weed in Colorado

It seems like the most noteworthy thing about the story is that nothing *really* noteworthy happened in the aftermath.
haven't deep dove on any of this, but i think its kind of bunk to talk about how hospitals are receiving more "marijuana related incidents" as a result of legalization when they quite probably were receiving the exact same number of visits they just weren't being told the truth of the incident due to the legality.

now people are more honest with doctors about their marijuana use so of course the sheer # is increasing.
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07-01-2019 , 04:02 PM
I think you have a point about that, although I would guess that if use is up then hospital visits are also probably up, even accounting for that. I wouldn't say that's a strong argument against legalization in and of itself though.
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07-01-2019 , 04:06 PM
If use is up then incidents will be up.

But what were these new users doing instead before it was legal. Drink? Other illegal drugs?
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07-01-2019 , 08:23 PM
The lives no longer effected by prohibition, can they be counted?

In other news, did you hear the one about the cross being a secular symbol? The (ostensibly) Low Content ThreadThat’s not even the punch line. If you disagree, that’s hostile towards religion and you hate the troops of WW1.
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07-01-2019 , 09:20 PM
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haven't deep dove on any of this, but i think its kind of bunk to talk about how hospitals are receiving more "marijuana related incidents" as a result of legalization when they quite probably were receiving the exact same number of visits they just weren't being told the truth of the incident due to the legality.

now people are more honest with doctors about their marijuana use so of course the sheer # is increasing.
Seems entirely reasonable to me to think that with legalization that people who would otherwise have avoided pot will now give it a try, and a lot of those people are folks who will think that smoking is unsavory or unhealthy, but hey, eating a brownie isn't so bad, and hey, this thing doesn't seem to be working I'd better have another one, or two, and then whoopsie, hospital time. Pretty sure we've had journalists document this, albeit short of the hospital.
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07-01-2019 , 10:44 PM
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07-02-2019 , 01:20 PM
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Everyone knows the American health care system is a disaster, but surprisingly few realize just how much of a disaster it really is. One reason for this is that the statistics we use to measure it completely miss how much anguish is caused by people constantly cycling in and out of insurance plans. In prior posts, I have tried to produce some figures that help illuminate the immense degree of “churn” in our system (I, II). In this post, I do the same thing, but with a new data source. What this source reveals is that, in a given 12 month period, 1 in 4 adults between the ages of 18 and 64 — 50 million people — face a spell of uninsurance.
The current system is bad

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org...y-single-year/
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07-02-2019 , 03:25 PM
remember all the takes about macron being a failure? if this forum hadn’t be deleted i would bump the post from last fall predicting he was gone within a week

this isn’t bad in a multiparty democracy that hates politicians

https://twitter.com/europeelects/sta...15776946065408

he’s still a bit weird and unemployment should be falling faster, but things are probably going to be fine for him
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07-02-2019 , 04:35 PM
What You Lose When You Gain a Spouse: What if marriage is not the social good that so many believe and want it to be?

Some interesting bits and pieces in here.

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As Chekhov put it, “If you’re afraid of loneliness, don’t marry.” He might have been on to something. In a review of two national surveys, the sociologists Natalia Sarkisian of Boston College and Naomi Gerstel of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst found that marriage actually weakens other social ties. Compared with those who stay single, married folks are less likely to visit or call parents and siblings—and less inclined to offer them emotional support or pragmatic help with things such as chores and transportation. They are also less likely to hang out with friends and neighbors.

Single people, by contrast, are far more connected to the social world around them. On average, they provide more care for their siblings and aging parents. They have more friends. They are more likely to offer help to neighbors and ask for it in return. This is especially true for those who have always been single, shattering the myth of the spinster cat lady entirely. Single women in particular are more politically engaged—attending rallies and fundraising for causes that are important to them—than married women. (These trends persist, but are weaker, for single people who were previously married. Cohabiting couples were underrepresented in the data and excluded from the study.)

Sarkisian and Gerstel wondered whether some of these effects could be explained by the demands of caring for small children. Maybe married parents just don’t have any extra time or energy to offer neighbors and friends. But once they examined the data further, they found that those who were married without children were the most isolated. The researchers suggest that one potential explanation for this is that these couples tend to have more time and money—and thus need less help from family and friends, and are then less likely to offer it in return. The autonomy of successful married life can leave spouses cut off from their communities. Having children may slightly soften the isolating effects of marriage, because parents often turn to others for help.
This is a pretty accurate description of my wife and I, who have no kids. Fortunately, we have the internet :P
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07-02-2019 , 04:56 PM
If you do a good job of picking a spouse, the outside world becomes somewhat superfluous.

If you do a poor job, it's a lifeline to sanity.
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07-02-2019 , 05:00 PM

I won't be cheering until the things are actually printed up though
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07-02-2019 , 05:07 PM
What did he win?
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07-02-2019 , 10:34 PM
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Now, the attacks from Bolsonaro and Moro have severely escalated. The Brazilian federal police have formally requested an investigation into Greenwald’s finances, according to a right-wing magazine in Brazil that*is reportedly often*cited and used as a mouthpiece by Moro and the same prosecutors being investigated by The Intercept Brazil.

Most disturbingly, the Federal Police—the Brazilian equivalent of the FBI—is under the command of Moro, the very person Greenwald and The Intercept Brazil are reporting on. It is believed that the investigation is a pretext that could lead to the Brazilian government to attempt to prosecute Greenwald and his journalistic colleagues for their publications.
https://freedom.press/news/the-brazi...ils-reporting/
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07-04-2019 , 12:17 AM
I'm about to unfollow all these Federalist lawyer dweebs over their incessant lip smacking imagining every liberal law requiring detailed syllogisms in order not to be declared non pretexual just because Roberts found that the Administration can't just straight up lie. As if the Administration had said they wanted the citizenship law just because the President felt like it Roberts wouldn't have green lit it.
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07-04-2019 , 12:21 AM
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I'm about to unfollow all these Federalist lawyer dweebs over their incessant lip smacking imagining every liberal law requiring detailed syllogisms in order not to be declared non pretexual just because Roberts found that the Administration can't just straight up lie. As if the Administration had said they wanted the citizenship law just because the President felt like it Roberts wouldn't have green lit it.
One thing I have noticed about lawyers that seems to transcend party lines is that their "solutions" to legal problems normally involve the need for more lawyers to do more lawyering.
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07-04-2019 , 10:02 AM
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But as Walker observed, what Democrats call "fair" maps are those that effectively advantage them instead, because of their national popular vote edge. Proportional representation isn't always necessary, Walker argued, because he feels it gives urban areas too large of an influence over the politics of an entire state.
Former Governor Walker complaining that Democrats have an unfair edge of having more people vote for them.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/03/73775...-for-democrats
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07-04-2019 , 11:41 AM
Happy Independence Day.
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07-04-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Former Governor Walker complaining that Democrats have an unfair edge of having more people vote for them.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/03/73775...-for-democrats
I agree with Walker. Democrats are prone to acting like they’re living in a democracy. In that regard Madison was right: “… measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority.” Not that Republicans aren't equally to blame, but the more we near a functional democracy - where one side gains unilateral power and tramples on the minority and then losing side gains power and returns the favor - the greater the political and social strife we’ll continue to enjoy. Majority rule, meh.
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07-04-2019 , 03:59 PM
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I agree with Walker. Democrats are prone to acting like they’re living in a democracy. In that regard Madison was right: “… measures are too often decided, not according to the rules of justice and the rights of the minor party, but by the superior force of an interested and overbearing majority.” Not that Republicans aren't equally to blame, but the more we near a functional democracy - where one side gains unilateral power and tramples on the minority and then losing side gains power and returns the favor - the greater the political and social strife we’ll continue to enjoy. Majority rule, meh.
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In Federalist No. 10, Madison acknowledges—as he had in the past—that popular government is vulnerable to “an interested and overbearing majority.” But he then pivots to his crucial insight. The problem isn’t majorities per se—which are capable of acting in the interests of the whole—it’s the “factious spirit in public administration.” And what are “factions”? He defines them as citizens “who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.” (By Madison’s standards, if there is a “mob” in today’s politics—a faction “adversed to the rights of other citizens,” it’s the Republican Party, caught in the grip of demographic panic, ideological extremism, and growing authoritarianism.)
Taking minority rule to it's logical extreme, why did we bother revolting against the King of England? Isn't the most minoritarian rule a ruler of one? A king? Of course no Republican would say that, what they would say, but never out loud is that liberals and minorities aren't true citizens and rule should stay with the rightful rulers, conservative whites and Christians, regardless of how small a minority they make up. It's pretty self evident with the extremes Republicans will go to in order to disenfranchise Democrats.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...stitution.html
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07-04-2019 , 05:07 PM
Well it’s not about minority rule, either. Mostly it’s about securing individual liberties and rights and with the latter mostly property rights. For instance, why would a prolific acorn gathering squirrel enter a social pact with two other squirrels if they could merely vote some of his acorns for themselves? No prolific acorn gathering squirrel in his right mind would. And throughout recorded history a minority of the population have always been prolific at gathering stuff, so of course they would insist on and equity would demand some political schema that allowed for disproportionate influence on their behalf. I mean considering how covetous other squirrels can become, especially when confronted with a big fat squirrel sitting on a mountain of acorns, I can’t blame them one bit.
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07-04-2019 , 05:14 PM
OK so what does that have to do with Walker saying that Democrats have an unnatural advantage of being more popular?

Or in another context why doesn't political minority rule apply to, say, Democrats in Texas?
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07-04-2019 , 05:46 PM
The attendees at today's Trump parade voted for him because of economic anxiety.

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07-04-2019 , 06:10 PM
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Well it’s not about minority rule, either. Mostly it’s about securing individual liberties and rights and with the latter mostly property rights. For instance, why would a prolific acorn gathering squirrel enter a social pact with two other squirrels if they could merely vote some of his acorns for themselves? No prolific acorn gathering squirrel in his right mind would. And throughout recorded history a minority of the population have always been prolific at gathering stuff, so of course they would insist on and equity would demand some political schema that allowed for disproportionate influence on their behalf. I mean considering how covetous other squirrels can become, especially when confronted with a big fat squirrel sitting on a mountain of acorns, I can’t blame them one bit.
There's no better conception of modern movement conservative than choosing July 4th to come out as strongly in favor of monarchy.
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07-04-2019 , 06:19 PM
It's not too late to change your minds.

God save the queen ....
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