It's already a zoo - fascists are running around openly advocating repeatedly for mass murder of people they don't like.

Yeah well it's your word against a youtube video with a montage and an AI generated voiceover. No way to tell who's right here, really. Which creates all sorts of doubt. Like reasonable doubt. Innocent!

So you're on the "shut it down" side, then.

Damn, I was just beginning to get a Judge Jeffries at the thought of delivering the death penalty.

There was a case just like that and the nurse was in jail for over 10 years and was innocent.
Yes enough circumstantial evidence can lead to a guilty verdict and it should if it's bulletproof. This here wasn't bulletproof at all. More like the opposite.
The biggest evidence were these notes, which mean nothing really.

I don't get why you guys in the UK have a jury system.
In this jury everyone was an idiot. The babies kept dying btw, imo, that's what happens in this section of the hospital, its new born babies in incubators.

So it's just you, me, micro, vic and crossnerd then? Cool.

Inconceivable

I think vic hits at least half those categories.

Everyone relax. They're just words from the despairing.

I already have said that it is impossible to make everyone happy.

Uke is exactly correct. I want the sort of forum where I am not the moderator.

As a poster, I don't care too much how heavy the moderation is. I somehow am able to survive just fine no matter who the moderator is. I would prefer that the forum be populated by adults with empathy, logical reasoning, and a sense of humor. I'm sure it is obvious enough from my posting which posters I believe fall into this category and which posters I do not.

If the forum becomes something that I can't tolerate, or choose not to tolerate, I simply will walk away.

I personally don't give a **** about swearing. If the owners removed the profanity filter, I wouldn't care at all.

I guess you're right and in addition to the coincidence of Letby's shifts with baby deaths there's also the coincidence of her suspension from work and the return to normality of baby death numbers.

And then there's

You were listening to lawyers who said that "writings" as a general rule are not evidence? You need to find some better lawyers

Someone really needs to infract you all for tarding up the discussion about how we don't need moderation in this forum.

We're too fractious to be infracted.

Nice

The jury has heard defense witnesses, and prosecution witnesses. They've heard those witnesses cross-examined by the other side. They've seen evidence provided by both sides. They've likely been given instructions by a judge as to what their role is, and what they can and can not consider. But never mind all that, washoe has heard someone with their own point of view and agenda summarize it all for him and package it up into a nice tidy video. And he might have gone more in-depth and listened to some other people who back up what he already believes - he has all the proof he needs!

It's just so washoe to take that and not just have doubts, not just question the verdict, not just suspect the verdict is wrong. Nope, he is so certain that the verdict was wrong, that he knows that "In this jury everyone was an idiot."

washoe gunna washoe.

Nope. It was predetermined someone is guilty of these crimes.
I hope none of you guys ever gets wrongfully convicted...
But it might happen....

No, they said in a case like this you cannot convict someone because of these notes. It never happened before.

What do you say. You saw the notes.
Should they dismiss the notes?
Or should they have jurors make whatever they want of it?
If you cant make anything out of it, how is a Juror supposed to make a judgment?

There are no numbers..
Show us the numbers if you have them.
The NHS has problems with understaffing and much more.
Even if u had numbers, which you dont, they dont make her guilty.
U need proof.

Nice one. Thats a lie told to the Jury.
Nobody ever cought her inflagranti.
They dont even know how she did it.
All they have are statistical anormalities which can be explained in a million other ways. Not enough to tell with 100% certainty that she did it.

Well, I’m willing to mod the I/P thread if that is a problem area bc I’m reading it frequently, but I don’t want to do anything else basically. I will forego the Creuset this one time and deal with things entirely in snacks.

Yeah such as trying to use haemophilia as a cover for her murder. She was proven to have researched haemophilia online before the attack. But washoe gonna washoe.

Washoe, are you aware that many convicted defendants, possibly the majority are convicted on circumstantial evidence? Even serial killers such as Rose west? (Who you'll probably be stanning for next)

Who's the guy who thinks the Central Park 5 did it? I can't remember.